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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta03.03.2014. u 07:35 - pre 123 meseci
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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta03.03.2014. u 07:55 - pre 123 meseci
Svako ko je bio dovoljno sretan ili promućuran da rano stekne količinu koina koja je ekvivalent milion dolara a u isto vreme dovoljno glup da sve to poveri MagicTheGatheringOnlineeXchange platformi, zaslužuje i sve što ga je snašlo.
 
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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta03.03.2014. u 10:38 - pre 123 meseci
Evo zasto, izmedju ostalog, pad MtGox-a moze biti dobar za bitcoin:
http://antonopoulos.com/2014/03/02/failure-is-an-option/

BTW, cena se vratila na blizu $600, samo nesto malo ispod MtGox katastrofe. Kada to nije ozbiljnije uzdramlo bitcoin, tesko da nesto moze da ga poremeti.
 
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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta03.03.2014. u 11:20 - pre 123 meseci
Ko ti to kaže? Evo, veliki prorok igor r je rekao da će sutra ili prekosutra da padne na ispod 400.
Nije bitno koji su zaključci izvučeni, već kako se do njih došlo.
 
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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta03.03.2014. u 17:00 - pre 123 meseci
Nuklearni rat će preživeti samo bubašvabe, bitkoin i Mlađen Dinkić.
Nije bitno koji su zaključci izvučeni, već kako se do njih došlo.
 
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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta03.03.2014. u 17:54 - pre 123 meseci
hahahahahaha :))) s' tim sto ce i Mladja da nam bude "bitcoin millionaire"
 
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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta03.03.2014. u 17:58 - pre 123 meseci
Gde ste Bitcoin nevernici, sakrili ste se po misijim rupama sada....... kao sto se i ocekivalo, Bitcoin je kao koncept suvise jak da bi ga omeo pad jedne menjacnice, smaranje Rusije i Kine.
 
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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta03.03.2014. u 23:25 - pre 123 meseci
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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta03.03.2014. u 23:57 - pre 123 meseci
Danas je Veilka Britanija objavila zvanicnu poresku politiku za sve sto je vezano za Bitcoin. Tako pismene drzave rade, propisu pravila igre i puste trziste da se razvija. Pogledajte i sami:
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/briefs/vat/brief0914.htm

TLDR;
Nema PDVa na prihode od rudarenja. Nema PDVa na transakcije gde nije doslo do razmene roba i usluga, a specijano nema placanja PDVa na transakcije na berzama gde se BTC menja za druge valute.

Ako se BTC-om placaju konkretni robe i usluge, PDV se fakturise po kursu GBP/BTC na berzama u trenutku fakturisanja.

Na kraju godine porez na prihod i kapitalnu dobit se racuna isto kao za svaku drugu valutu.

Pitam se u kojoj deceniji ce nasa drzava da radi ovako.
 
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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta04.03.2014. u 00:45 - pre 123 meseci
...tako da su za ovaj skok verovatno odgovorni britanski kitovi koji prvi imaju informacije o regulaciji...? .. tj. ne samo britanski..
 
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Sta ces.... kripto je poprimio razmere religije, sto jes' jes....
 
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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta04.03.2014. u 01:12 - pre 123 meseci
Vrlo precizna analiza bitcoina od strane Stratfor-a namenjena njihovim pretplatnicima:

Bitcoin is a relatively new and unregulated electronic currency that allows the owner to buy, sell and trade anonymously without incurring high transaction charges. Since its creation in 2009, Bitcoin has become the most prevalent of a number of so-called "cryptocurrencies." Some have heralded cryptocurrencies as potential challengers to financial institutions, especially in developing markets and regions where traditional banking infrastructure is underdeveloped. However, despite a positive reaction to Bitcoin from the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, multiple nations have refused to acknowledge the currency. Thailand, Russia, Iceland and Vietnam have all rejected or banned it.
Bitcoin experienced a tumultuous February as Mt. Gox, an exchange that converted fiat currencies into bitcoins and vice versa, on Feb. 7 stopped withdrawals from accounts and ultimately shut down Feb 24. Finally, on Feb. 28 it was revealed that most of the bitcoins deposited into the exchange -- approximately $475 million worth -- had disappeared. Electronic currencies such as bitcoin are susceptible to cyberattack, as the Mt. Gox incident shows. Chief among other concerns about electronic currencies is their existence beyond governments' capital controls, making illegal activities such as money laundering relatively straightforward. Financial regulators and many observers say that cryptocurrencies are a speculative bubble waiting to collapse. But no amount of opposition can erase electronic currencies or the technology behind them.
Analysis Central to the idea of currency is ownership, the fact that money can only belong to (and therefore be spent by) one person or entity at a time. In the digital era, electronic money is no different than any other computer file, which means that unlike physical money, it can be endlessly copied. Bitcoin is not the first attempt at creating an electronic currency, but it is the first digital tender to gain serious interest and backing. This is largely due to the efforts of Satoshi Nakamoto, a fictitious name or group, responsible for the "Bitcoin protocol." Prior to Bitcoin, electronic currencies required a third party, such as PayPal, to determine if one party still owned the money or had previously spent it, thus transferring ownership to someone else. The Bitcoin protocol solved this problem by creating a publicly viewable global ledger, showing the sequential transactions of all accounts using bitcoin.
Bitcoins are bought and sold on the Internet at places known as exchanges. Bitcoins are generally stored in a digital wallet and transactions are recorded in a shared public ledger known as the "blockchain." The currency is not controlled by a central bank, but is instead managed by an online community. Members with powerful computers are encouraged to maintain the transactional register by "verifying the blockchain" -- solving complex mathematical equations and adding another "block" of transactions to the existing chain. The process is known as "mining" because the verifier is rewarded with new bitcoins. The way the system works, new bitcoins will not be created after there are 21 million in circulation, which is projected to happen in the year 2140.
Bitcoin has both strengths and weaknesses as a currency. Accounts themselves are anonymous, but determining ownership through regulating exchanges or IP addresses is possible. Bitcoin also allows merchants to escape expensive transaction fees that are often consequence of fraud protection. This is because bitcoin transactions are not reversible and, from the point of view of the merchant, there is little inherent risk of fraud. But due to skepticism and the fact that this is a relatively new concept entirely, few merchants accept bitcoins. Potential markets are also being shuttered by some countries that are fearful of the unique opportunities that cryptocurrencies offer compared to traditional state-sanctioned fiat money.
Decentralized currencies like Bitcoin remain in their infancy. To achieve mainstream longevity, cryptocurrencies will need to become popular and user friendly or find acceptance with a gigantic corporation like Amazon. Governments have struggled to stop decentralized networks in the past, but with each evolution of government crackdowns on file-sharing programs, the programmers become more sophisticated. For example, when Napster became popular for file sharing and was taken down, Kazaa, another file-sharing application, was created instead. This has led to peer-to-peer networks that are so decentralized that they are nearly impossible to stop.
This will not prevent governments from trying to monitor, disrupt and partially regulate cryptocurrencies -- in extreme cases governments could also physically move to shut down exchanges -- so the programmers behind cryptocurrencies have to improve the reliability and security of their networks. Hardening exchanges against cyberattacks, or at least limiting their frequency, will be critical in instilling confidence.
Bitcoin as a Technology
Bitcoin is far more than a currency; it is a new technological platform. Currency is just one of many potential applications. While bitcoin itself may fail, its technological breakthrough -- the Bitcoin protocol -- can be used for other applications in computer science. Though observers have pointed to the Mt. Gox shutdown as proof bitcoin will fail, having one exchange shut-down is not a big deal, and bitcoins' value on other exchanges has yet to collapse since Mt. Gox's problems began in early February.
Over the last year, venture capitalists have been quick to invest money in startup businesses that approach bitcoin with unique ideas. One company envisions "colored coins," essentially a Bitcoin-like cryptocurrency where each individual coin represents another physical commodity. Colored coins would then act as a surrogate to trade anything from stocks to securities, traditional money or anything else. Other companies are attempting to connect Wall Street to digital currencies, planning to trade bitcoins or derivatives based on them. To do so would require oversight from the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. There is an ongoing movement to get the Securities and Exchange Commission to approve an exchange-traded fund for bitcoins, which are being looked at not just as a currency, but as an asset class all by themselves. Unlike gold, however, Bitcoin is also a currency in the sense that it is easily divisible as well as relatively fluid.
Geopolitically, the use of Bitcoin by financial institutions and venture capitalists is of secondary importance, but they do provide a growing user base. The first five years of Bitcoin saw an exponential growth in value as well as popularity. Like any new, free-floating currency, the worth of bitcoins has remained volatile. In order for Bitcoin -- or any other cryptocurrency -- to be widely adopted, there will need to be an increase in the number of outlets and potential users, and there must be overall confidence in the value and stability of the tender. All of this can only come with time.
Cryptocurrencies in the Developing World
The relative ease of moving bitcoins in and out of countries with harsh capital controls was demonstrated during the recent financial crises in Cyprus, Argentina and Russia. Even more recently, Bitcoin addresses have been used on protester's posters in Ukraine as a way to find financial support from abroad. Banking sectors can impose restrictions and limit the movement of conventional funds, but no such regulatory system exists for digital currencies. For frontier and developing markets, digital currencies provide a way for individuals to gain access to dollars and other more stable currencies. The underlying volatility of national currencies is a driver toward alternative tender.
Digital money has already revolutionized local economies in some developing countries, providing a functional way to escape capital controls or bypass technologies. M-Pesa is a mobile money transfer system that has become popular in several African countries. The system debuted in Ken ya in 2007, and to date roughly one-third of all Ken yans have an M-Pesa account. As a result, the equivalent value of about one-third of Ken ya's gross domestic product is now spent via phone. In July 2013, a technology known as Kipochi was developed to connect M-Pesa accounts with Bitcoin accounts. Currently, anyone in the world can send bitcoins directly to a third of people in Ken ya with zero transaction costs. This becomes important when considering the number of workers employed outside their home country. Traditional remittances -- when foreign workers send money home -- are very expensive, with transaction costs upward of 30 percent. Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin provide a significantly cheaper alternative.
Ken ya's successful adoption of mobile payment methods is a reminder of the fact that bitcoins can be transferred as easily as sending an SMS message on a phone. Much of the developing world does not have access to financial institutions or traditional bank accounts, but even the poorest countries invest in robust telecommunications network architecture, and almost everyone has a cell phone. The proliferation of cell phones and a digital tender like Bitcoin could allow societies to skip technological phases, like the need to construct a massive and intricate network of landlines.
Bitcoin is a relatively new and unregulated electronic currency that allows the owner to buy, sell and trade anonymously without incurring high transaction charges. Since its creation in 2009, Bitcoin has become the most prevalent of a number of so-called "cryptocurrencies." Some have heralded cryptocurrencies as potential challengers to financial institutions, especially in developing markets and regions where traditional banking infrastructure is underdeveloped. However, despite a positive reaction to Bitcoin from the U.S. Federal Reserve Bank, multiple nations have refused to acknowledge the currency. Thailand, Russia, Iceland and Vietnam have all rejected or banned it.
Bitcoin experienced a tumultuous February as Mt. Gox, an exchange that converted fiat currencies into bitcoins and vice versa, on Feb. 7 stopped withdrawals from accounts and ultimately shut down Feb 24. Finally, on Feb. 28 it was revealed that most of the bitcoins deposited into the exchange -- approximately $475 million worth -- had disappeared. Electronic currencies such as bitcoin are susceptible to cyberattack, as the Mt. Gox incident shows. Chief among other concerns about electronic currencies is their existence beyond governments' capital controls, making illegal activities such as money laundering relatively straightforward. Financial regulators and many observers say that cryptocurrencies are a speculative bubble waiting to collapse. But no amount of opposition can erase electronic currencies or the technology behind them.
Analysis Central to the idea of currency is ownership, the fact that money can only belong to (and therefore be spent by) one person or entity at a time. In the digital era, electronic money is no different than any other computer file, which means that unlike physical money, it can be endlessly copied. Bitcoin is not the first attempt at creating an electronic currency, but it is the first digital tender to gain serious interest and backing. This is largely due to the efforts of Satoshi Nakamoto, a fictitious name or group, responsible for the "Bitcoin protocol." Prior to Bitcoin, electronic currencies required a third party, such as PayPal, to determine if one party still owned the money or had previously spent it, thus transferring ownership to someone else. The Bitcoin protocol solved this problem by creating a publicly viewable global ledger, showing the sequential transactions of all accounts using bitcoin.
Bitcoins are bought and sold on the Internet at places known as exchanges. Bitcoins are generally stored in a digital wallet and transactions are recorded in a shared public ledger known as the "blockchain." The currency is not controlled by a central bank, but is instead managed by an online community. Members with powerful computers are encouraged to maintain the transactional register by "verifying the blockchain" -- solving complex mathematical equations and adding another "block" of transactions to the existing chain. The process is known as "mining" because the verifier is rewarded with new bitcoins. The way the system works, new bitcoins will not be created after there are 21 million in circulation, which is projected to happen in the year 2140.
Bitcoin has both strengths and weaknesses as a currency. Accounts themselves are anonymous, but determining ownership through regulating exchanges or IP addresses is possible. Bitcoin also allows merchants to escape expensive transaction fees that are often consequence of fraud protection. This is because bitcoin transactions are not reversible and, from the point of view of the merchant, there is little inherent risk of fraud. But due to skepticism and the fact that this is a relatively new concept entirely, few merchants accept bitcoins. Potential markets are also being shuttered by some countries that are fearful of the unique opportunities that cryptocurrencies offer compared to traditional state-sanctioned fiat money.
Decentralized currencies like Bitcoin remain in their infancy. To achieve mainstream longevity, cryptocurrencies will need to become popular and user friendly or find acceptance with a gigantic corporation like Amazon. Governments have struggled to stop decentralized networks in the past, but with each evolution of government crackdowns on file-sharing programs, the programmers become more sophisticated. For example, when Napster became popular for file sharing and was taken down, Kazaa, another file-sharing application, was created instead. This has led to peer-to-peer networks that are so decentralized that they are nearly impossible to stop.
This will not prevent governments from trying to monitor, disrupt and partially regulate cryptocurrencies -- in extreme cases governments could also physically move to shut down exchanges -- so the programmers behind cryptocurrencies have to improve the reliability and security of their networks. Hardening exchanges against cyberattacks, or at least limiting their frequency, will be critical in instilling confidence.
Bitcoin as a Technology
Bitcoin is far more than a currency; it is a new technological platform. Currency is just one of many potential applications. While bitcoin itself may fail, its technological breakthrough -- the Bitcoin protocol -- can be used for other applications in computer science. Though observers have pointed to the Mt. Gox shutdown as proof bitcoin will fail, having one exchange shut-down is not a big deal, and bitcoins' value on other exchanges has yet to collapse since Mt. Gox's problems began in early February.
Over the last year, venture capitalists have been quick to invest money in startup businesses that approach bitcoin with unique ideas. One company envisions "colored coins," essentially a Bitcoin-like cryptocurrency where each individual coin represents another physical commodity. Colored coins would then act as a surrogate to trade anything from stocks to securities, traditional money or anything else. Other companies are attempting to connect Wall Street to digital currencies, planning to trade bitcoins or derivatives based on them. To do so would require oversight from the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. There is an ongoing movement to get the Securities and Exchange Commission to approve an exchange-traded fund for bitcoins, which are being looked at not just as a currency, but as an asset class all by themselves. Unlike gold, however, Bitcoin is also a currency in the sense that it is easily divisible as well as relatively fluid.
Geopolitically, the use of Bitcoin by financial institutions and venture capitalists is of secondary importance, but they do provide a growing user base. The first five years of Bitcoin saw an exponential growth in value as well as popularity. Like any new, free-floating currency, the worth of bitcoins has remained volatile. In order for Bitcoin -- or any other cryptocurrency -- to be widely adopted, there will need to be an increase in the number of outlets and potential users, and there must be overall confidence in the value and stability of the tender. All of this can only come with time.
Cryptocurrencies in the Developing World
The relative ease of moving bitcoins in and out of countries with harsh capital controls was demonstrated during the recent financial crises in Cyprus, Argentina and Russia. Even more recently, Bitcoin addresses have been used on protester's posters in Ukraine as a way to find financial support from abroad. Banking sectors can impose restrictions and limit the movement of conventional funds, but no such regulatory system exists for digital currencies. For frontier and developing markets, digital currencies provide a way for individuals to gain access to dollars and other more stable currencies. The underlying volatility of national currencies is a driver toward alternative tender.
Digital money has already revolutionized local economies in some developing countries, providing a functional way to escape capital controls or bypass technologies. M-Pesa is a mobile money transfer system that has become popular in several African countries. The system debuted in Ken ya in 2007, and to date roughly one-third of all Ken yans have an M-Pesa account. As a result, the equivalent value of about one-third of Ken ya's gross domestic product is now spent via phone. In July 2013, a technology known as Kipochi was developed to connect M-Pesa accounts with Bitcoin accounts. Currently, anyone in the world can send bitcoins directly to a third of people in Ken ya with zero transaction costs. This becomes important when considering the number of workers employed outside their home country. Traditional remittances -- when foreign workers send money home -- are very expensive, with transaction costs upward of 30 percent. Cryptocurrencies like Bitcoin provide a significantly cheaper alternative.
Ken ya's successful adoption of mobile payment methods is a reminder of the fact that bitcoins can be transferred as easily as sending an SMS message on a phone. Much of the developing world does not have access to financial institutions or traditional bank accounts, but even the poorest countries invest in robust telecommunications network architecture, and almost everyone has a cell phone. The proliferation of cell phones and a digital tender like Bitcoin could allow societies to skip technological phases, like the need to construct a massive and intricate network of landlines.
 
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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta04.03.2014. u 13:24 - pre 123 meseci
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^ Nisam mogao ovo da citam, aj' linkuj neku stranicu gde je sredjeno...


Nema linka, inace bih postovao link a ne postovao blok teksta koji sam zalepio iz vise komada. Kao sto sam rekao na pocetku prethodne poruke ovo nije objavljeno u celini na internetu, dobili pretplatnici Stratofra na mejl. Poslao neki klinac iz vise delova, tvrdi da je njegov cale njihov pretplatnik. Klinac sigurno ono nije napisao, a ko mu je cale, ne znam...
 
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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta04.03.2014. u 14:35 - pre 123 meseci
Izgleda da je igor bio u pravu.
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igor r: Tek treba da ljuljne, u sledeći utorak ili sredu, još oko 100-tinjak dolara.

Bitstamp veli da je tada kurs bio 583 USD/BTC, a sada u utorak je 693 USD/BTC, što jeste stotinak dolara razlike. Jedino što je prilikom kucanja omašio glagol, ali suština je ta.
Nije bitno koji su zaključci izvučeni, već kako se do njih došlo.
 
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Bitstamp veli da je tada kurs bio 583 USD/BTC, a sada u utorak je 693 USD/BTC, što jeste stotinak dolara razlike. Jedino što je prilikom kucanja omašio glagol, ali suština je ta.


Vidim ja povoljno ces kupiti 3 bitcoina :)
 
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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta04.03.2014. u 15:49 - pre 123 meseci
Nije pristao na future.
Nije bitno koji su zaključci izvučeni, već kako se do njih došlo.
 
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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta04.03.2014. u 17:10 - pre 123 meseci
Pa, ne znam, tvrdio je da će BTC biti 150-250 USD. Ako bude 200 USD, a ja mu dam 1000 za 3 BTC i on ih odmah proda, zaradio je 400 USD. To znači da mu plaćam pet, a dobijam tri. Šta on više hoće?

Nego, trolčina, zna da lupeta i ne sme da se kladi.
Nije bitno koji su zaključci izvučeni, već kako se do njih došlo.
 
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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta04.03.2014. u 17:46 - pre 123 meseci
A ti ga takvim komentarima samo opet izazivas da se vrati i nastavi da troluje temu. Taman je pocelo nesto pametno da se pise, batali ga.
 
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icon Re: BITCOIN: Decentralizovana P2P anonimna valuta04.03.2014. u 18:53 - pre 123 meseci
I kao što vidimo pad bitcoina se nastavlja i ulazi u četvrti mesec konstantnoga pada.



 
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