Dokle bre više? Već sam nekoliko puta pisao na ovom forumu o HIVu tako da neću ništa novo ni reći, samo ću copy-pasteovati ponešto iz svojih prethodnih postova jer je to mnogo primerenije za ovu temu.
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Teorije zavere po strani, ko god tvrdi da je 1980e bilo moguće u laboratoriji kreirati ono remek delo (a HIV virus jeste remek-delo, bez sumnje, a koga interesuje objašnjenje ove tvrdnje neka potraži nešto o preklapajućim genima ovog virusa), oprosti mu, Darvine, ne zna šta priča. Samo što ljudi iz neznanja izveštaje o virusu tumače "ovaj virus je tako dobar da nema šanse da je nastao prirodnim putem", a trebalo bi da tumače kao "ovaj virus je tako dobar da nema šanse da su ljudi uspeli da ga naprave".
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A uostalom zašto bih ja pričao kada imate sve lepo objašnjeno o HIVu na
ovoj adresi, samo pazite da ne promašite, "pravi" linkovi su na dnu strane.
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Aha! Evo ga! Samo je trebalo izguglati "origin of HIV". Sramota me je
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http://www.avert.org/origins.htm :
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WHEN?
During the last few years it has become possible not only to determine whether HIV is present in a blood or plasma sample, but also to determine the particular subtype of the virus. Studying the subtype of virus of some of the earliest known instances of HIV infection can help to provide clues about the time it first appeared in humans and its subsequent evolution.
Three of the earliest known instances of HIV infection are as follows:
A plasma sample taken in 1959 from an adult male living in what is now the Democratic Republic of Congo.
HIV found in tissue samples from an American teenager who died in St. Louis in 1969.
HIV found in tissue samples from a Norwegian sailor who died around 1976.
A 1998 analysis of the plasma sample from 1959 has suggested7 that HIV-1 was introduced into humans around the 1940s or the early 1950s; much earlier than previously thought. Other scientists have dated the sample to an even earlier period - perhaps as far back as the end of the 19th century.
In January 2000 however, the results of a new study presented at the 7th Conference on Retroviruses and Opportunistic Infections, suggested that the first case of HIV-1 infection occurred around 1930 in West Africa . The study was carried out by Dr Bette Korber of the Los Alamos National Laboratory. The estimate of 1930 (which does have a 15 year margin of error) was based on a complicated computer model of HIV's evolution. If accurate, it means that HIV was in existence before many scenarios (such as the OPV and conspiracy theories) suggest.
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Smem li samo da ponovim najkritičniju tačku... Prenebregnimo činjenicu da su našli HIV u serumu iz 50ih. Recimo da je to zavera američke vlade. Pa opet, svi se slažu da je AIDS opisan početkom osamdesetih, što znači da je HIV morao biti "napravljen" barem do polovine sedamdesetih. Ko god tvrdi da je bilo moguće manipulisati genima bilo kojeg virusa, FIVa, SIVa, ili bilo kojeg drugog IVa, ma i devedesetih a kamoli ranije,
nema blagog pojma o čemu priča. Genetski inžinjering je jedva postojao kao koncept u vreme kada je HIV navodno modifikovan, i to ograničen na biljke i bakterije, a o nekom modifikovanju virusa nije bilo ni govora.
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1982 - researchers succeeded in transferring a gene from one species of fruit fly to another. That same year, geneticists proved genes can be transferred between plant species.
1985 - The NIH approved experimental guidelines for treatment in which genes are transplanted to correct hereditary defects in human beings.
1986 - the US Patent and Trademark Office issued the first patent on a plant produced through genetic engineering, a type of corn with increased nutritional value.
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Alo bre, otprilike u vreme kada je opisan AIDS (znači godinama pošto se pojavio HIV) istraživači su uspeli da prenesu gen iz jedne vrste voćne mušice u drugu. JEDAN JEDINI GEN. IZ VOĆNE MUŠICE. Iz je*ene
Drosophila melanogaster. Voćna mušica je otprilike nešto najlakše na čemu se može eksperimentisati. Virusni genomi - pogotovo retrovirusni RNK genomi sa preklapajućim sekvencama - su, po lakoći modifikacije, prema voćnoj mušici ono što je geometrija Lobačevskog za 2+2.
Rekao bih ovde da se nadam da će ovo raščistiti neke zablude... ali to bi bio samo glupavi optimizam.
P.S. pošto se HIV teorije zavere/zablude stalno ponavljaju, šta kažu moderatori da sastavimo neku TOP temu koja će pokriti sve što ima da se pokrije o HIVu? Tema bi pokazivala linkovane naučne argumente o HIVu, njegovom poreklu, načinima prenošenja i sličnim zabludama, i o novostima u lečenju istog.
In a game of chess you must never let your opponent see your pieces - Zap
Brannigan
Re: Origin of AIDS - kako je nastala sida?
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