The Disclosure Project , teorije o kontaktu sa vanzemaljcima

Dr. Ivan i Dr. zaraza mogu da izlece pacijente a da ih nisu nikada ni videli :)) Impresivno! :)

@zrachko Pre svega, hvala ti sto se interesujes i postavljas pitanja.



Da li znas da je takva masina vec odavno izmisljena ? Zove se avion.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_paradox






Prava vremenska masina bi bila nesto tipa... sednes u nju danas i pojavis se juce :) Ili za nedelju dana. "Napredna" objasnjenja iz knjiga za fiziku za osnovnu i srednju skolu koja smo svi ucili su u najmanju ruku previse simplifikovana i neadekvatna objasnjenja cak i sa aspekta zvanicne moderne nauke. Ne bih se ja previse uzdao u takva objasnjenja da predstavljaju vrhunac razumevanja problematike putovanja kroz vreme i slicno.
Sto se tice informacija od wistleblowera, niko od njih o kojima sam ja citao, nije rekao da ljudi poseduju takvu tehnologiju. Dan Burisch je recimo potvrdio da su definitivno utvrdili jos 1953 da neke rase vanzemaljaca imaju takvu tehnologiju (da su time traveler-i)... ali mi kao ljudska rasa je jos uvek nemamo (uprkos superluminal letilicama :) ).





Odgovori na tvoja pitanja uopste nisu teski. Jednostavno nemas dovoljno informacija da bi sagledao stvari iz bolje perspektive. Pa da pocnemo:



Kljucna rec ovde je "neko". Jako je bitno "ko" je taj sto je to rekao. Imamo dakle sledece kategorije :
1) zvanicni izvori (ono sto mozes da procitas u New York Times)
2) wistleblower http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistleblower



Procitaj pazljivo definiciju wistleblowera. Onaj koji je obelodanio tako nesto je upravo covek koji shvata da MI , LJUDI KOJI ZIVIMO NA PLANETI ZEMLJI IMAMO PRAVO DA ZNAMO. Nije nista cudno da ima ljudi koji su spremni da rizikuju svoju licnu bezbednost zarad opsteg dobra.



Po definiciji wistleblowera, u iste spadaju i jedni i drugi. Pitanje je samo koliko ko je bio duboko upucen i imao saznanja o vanzemaljcima. Merle Shane McDow, bez obzira na sve kvallifikacije i top secret dozvole nije znao nista o vanzemaljcima do situacije koju je opisao. I on je wistleblower i prica samo ono sto zna i cemu je licno prisustvovao. Da li je admiral koji je komandovao operacijom znao za vanzemaljce ? To ne mozemo definitivno da utvrdimo na osnovu Merle-ovog svedocenja. Ali postoji ozbiljna indikacija da je znao. Zbog cega to mislim ? Pa jednostavno, prioritet mu je bio da utvrdi da li Rusi reaguju na pretnju ili ne. Znaci, ocekuju od Rusa da mozda imaju bolju perspktivu i procenu -> skoro sigurno da im to nije prvi put da imaju takvu situaciju. Ali Jedno je sigurno, da je admiral obavljao svoju duznost besprekorno sa resursima koji su mu na raspolaganju bili.

Sto nas dovodi do druge implicitne pretpostavke.

Tvrdnja: Ameri imaju antigravitacionu tehnologiju i samim tim svoje sopstvene UFO-e.

Implicitna pretpostavka: sledi dakle da imaju mnogo takvih letilica i da mogu da ih salju kao lovce presretace ako vanzemaljci ugroze nas vazdusni prostor.

Implicitna pretpostavka je netacna ili neprakticna iz vise razloga:

1) Niko od witleblowera nije rekao da su te letelice opremljene za borbene operacije ili da su makar blizu po karakteristikama sa vanzemaljskim. Dakle ako lete ne znace da mogu i da se koriste za borbu. Dalje u ovom smeru razmisljanja, niko nije ni pomenuo da postoje oruzija koja mogu da ugroze vanzemaljce a da mogu da budu montirana na letelicu. Ni reci o takvim stvarima.

2) Dan Burisch je potvrdio da Ameri i mnogo zemlja clanica UN su potpisnici sporazuma sa nekim rasama vanzemaljaca. Mislim da ce se svi sloziti da nije u nasem najboljem interesu da bez veoma dobrog razloga budemo agresivni prema njima.


Zakljucak: Oboje govore istinu. Najveci deo USA vojske i drugih organizaciija ne zna zaista nista o vanzemaljcima. Nemaju potrebu da znaju. (Need to know). Nacin na koji se ovo postize zove se kompartmentalizacija. Postoje dakle SAP (Special Access Program) ili tzv. Black Ops ili Crne Operacije , programi koji su hijerarhijski posebno dizajnirani da sprece odliv informacija i obezbede sigurnost projekta. Sto sa sobom nosi neke druge rizike.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_access_program

AKo imas daljih pitanja bice mi zadovoljstvo da ti objasnim detaljnije. Onoliko koliko znam barem.

Sto se tice Billy Meiera, sta da kazem.

http://btjunkie.org/search?q=silent+revolution+of+truth

Drago mi je da si pogledao materijal i da si se interesovao. Ali iskreno, mislim da previse toga si odbio da vidis zarad cinjenice da ti nije prezentovano ono sto bi TI VOLEO da vidis.

Sa druge strane, mislim da si na odlicnom putu LICNOG saznavanja istine. A to je i jedini merodavan nacin po meni. Zasto tako mislim ? Zato sto sam i ja kroz to prosao. Nikada nisam verovao svemu sto procitam i mnogo puta sam nesto odbacio , bilo da se kasnije ispostavi kao ispravno ili ne. I jos uvek mi se desava da nesto odbacim iz prvog pa cak i drugog ili treceg gledanja samo zato sto mi deluje previse nerealno ili strasno. To su normalne ljudske reakcije. Ali ono sto je kljucno je da nikada nisam zbog kompleksnosti ili frustracije odustao od traganja. Vremenom kockice pocnu da se slazu polako. To bi i tebi pozeleo na tvom putu. Da ne odustajes.

Ako pronadjes jos nedoslednosti ili nelogicnosti u UFO materijalu , postuj ovde pa da prodiskutujemo.

Pozdrav

I ja bi rekao da je ta igra postala prilicno dosadna. Mogli bi malo da urade neki spektakularniji "stunt". Evo ako neki "alien" prati ovu temu mislim da ce se svi sloziti da zahtevamo jedan jasan "sajting" iznad Beograda. I "skeptici" i "biliveri" mislim da ne bi imali nista protiv. :) Ozbiljno :))

Cekaj, znaci poverovao si u vanzemaljce ? :)

Postoji razlog. Ljudi jednostavno zele da znaju. Sasvim je izvesno da ce se i dalje pojavljivati interesantni svedoci, novi slucajevi, spektakularni sajtinzi... Cak i da niko ne poveruje ni u sta od toga bice sigurno zabavno i dalje. U najmanju ruku niko nece moci da se zali da nije imao prilike da se upozna sa malo drugacijim informacijama u vezi UFO-a nego sto je mislio da postoje. Za razliku od tvog razmisljanja da ja nisam razumno bice zato sto nemam isto misljenje kao i ti moja ideja je da samo prezentujem informacije i dajem svoje misljenje tamo gde me neko pita za isto. Sta ce da uradi sa tim materijalom je svacija pojedinacna odluka.

Moze sam da prouci detaljnije, moze da nazove sve wistleblowere ludacima, lazovima.... sve fotografije i video zapise hoaxovima....to i nije toliko bitno. Ono sto je bitno je da imate taj izbor.

Nadjoh jedan interesantan sajt na srpskom jeziku. NLO Srbija.

http://www.nlosrbija.110mb.com/

Izmedju ostalog prikupljaju i sajtinge iz Srbije. I veoma je interesantno videti da su ih dosta i prikupili (sa sve opisima, slikama gde su snimljene,datum, mesto...). Definitivno vredi pogledati.

pazi ovo:

Evo tih snimaka


Precizno nema sta...

A izjave svedoka su cista SMEJURIJA i izjave ljudi koji ocigledno jedva cekaju da im se desi nesto u zivotu...



Ovaj oce da ispadne pametan, pa misli da je severnjaca najsjajnija zvezda i uporedjuje to sto je video sa njom



Avaj nesrece....



Najnormalnija stvar je da se tajne operacije vrse sa upaljenim svetlima.



E bas me cudi....



Da da...ne zna na kojoj visini lete, nego onako ofrlje tvrdi da je to 10k, al zato odlicno zna da su 5-10 puta brzi.
Klasican svedok koji umislja zato sto zeli da nesto vidi.



Evo jos jednog strucnjaka koji poznaje avijaciju.



Normalno, u normalnim uslovima se nikad ne desava da seva, a ne grmi...



Zanimljivo je da on pise izvestaj iako ga je jedva video....



I to me bas cudi :):):)



Cerka, strucnjak za pirotehniku....



Normalno, brzina je u direktnoj vezi sa oblacnoscu, a brzina je tada gotovo uvek cudna.


Pa da...velika je guzva tamo gde su ti sateliti i avioni...



Normalno, avioni su jedine sprave koje lete, a jos ako lete cudnom brzinom i ne cuju se - sigurno nije avion.



Klasika :)

Itd....mrzi me vise da kucam...
Znaci em lupaju gluposti, em izvlace zakljucke od kojih vilica ispada do zemlje, em kao razloge istintosti navode "nikad nisam video ovako nesto"....
Moram priznati, bilo mi je vrlo zabavno dok sam citao izvestaje ovih svedoka :):)

Poslusajte ovaj intervju sa Dr. Edgar Mitchell-om, sestim covekom koji je hodao po mesecu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Mitchell

Pre ili kasnije, kao covecanstvo, moracemo da se suocimo javno sa cinjenicom da nismo sami u svemiru. I to vreme se ubrzano pliblizava.

Znaci tebi nista nije cudno u onim izjavama :):)


100% tacno.
Samo...tu nece biti ni grama od ovih nebuloza sto ti plasiras....
Da li treba da napominjem da je izjava koju si citiario isto tako glupava kao i oni izvestaji?

Zasto?
Zato sto ti astronaut kaze: "We are not alone"....i nista vise....i ti padnes u fras...

Ne slusas ti pazljivo prijatelju sta je on rekao. Jasno je rekao mnogo toga.

http://www.earthfiles.com/news.php?ID=1550&category=Science

Transkript:

As West Midlands, U. K. Kerrang! radio host, Nick Margerrison was surprised during the radio interview when Dr. Mitchell confidently stated he knows there is other life in the universe, that some visits Earth and that he has been briefed along with others by U. S. government insiders who keep the truth from the public and media.

Entire Transcript of Edgar Mitchell on Kerrang! Radio:
Copyright © 2008 by Bauer Radio, Kerrang! Radio and MediaSpan.

“Margerrison: DO YOU BELIEVE IN LIFE ON OTHER PLANETS?

Edgar Mitchell: Oh, yes. There is not much question at all, but there is life throughout the universe. We’re not alone in the universe at all.
(Obrati paznju sta je tacno rekao. Zivot je rasiren sirom svemira. Implicitno: vise od jedne rase postoji.Verovatno mnogo rasa.A to je upravo ono sto mnogi duboki svedoci tvrde i ono sto i ja mislim da je istina.)

Margerrison: YOU’RE CONVINCED WE’RE NOT ALONE IN THE UNIVERSE?

Mitchell: Oh, I know for sure we’re not alone in the universe. Now, have we been able to identify for sure where the other (inhabited) planets are? No, we haven’t, certainly not in our solar system. But they have identified quite a number of planets now that very likely could be life-bearing planets.

I happen to be privileged enough to be in on the fact that we have been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomenon is real, although it has been covered up by our governments for quite a long time.
(Znaci, ovde je jasno rekao tri stvari: 1. Zvanicno, od strane USA goverment, je obavesten o tome da smo bili poseceni od strane vanzemaljaca. 2. Fenomen UFO je stvaran. 3.Vlade raznih drzava su ucestvovale u sakrivanju tih informacija od sire populacije. A takodje to potvrdjuje i mnogo drugih wistlblowera i to je ono sto i ja mislim da je istina.)

Margerrison: WHOA! WELL, HANG ON A MINUTE. THIS IS BIG. ALL THIS IS QUITE A SHOCK TO ME.

Mitchell: Well, I’m sorry you haven’t been reading the papers recently. It’s starting to open up quite a bit.

(Upravo tako. Vec mnogo ljudi sirom sveta zna dosta o UFO fenomenu. Nesto manje izgleda u Srbiji.)

Margerrison: SO, YOU’RE TELLING ME – THERE’S A LOT OF INFORMATION HERE TO TAKE ON BOARD. HANG ON A MINUTE. LISTEN, I’VE HEARD CRAZY UFO NUTS TELL ME THIS KIND OF THING BEFORE. I’VE NEVER HAD DR. ED MITCHELL, THE SIXTH MAN TO WALK ON THE MOON, A RESPECTED SCIENTIST IN HIS OWN RIGHT, ANNOUNCE TO ME THAT WE’VE BEEN VISITED BY ALIENS FROM OTHER PLANETS AND THAT THEY DEFINITELY ARE OUT THERE. THERE IS NO DEBATING IT.

Mitchell: Well, this is the first time you’ve ever talked to me, or I would have told you about it before.

Margerrison: (laughs) SO YOU BELIEVE THE WHOLE DEAL?

Mitchell: There’s more nonsense out there about this than there is real knowledge, but it is a real phenomenon and there are a few of us (who know). It’s been covered up by all our governments for the last 60 years or so. But slowly it’s leaked out and some of us are privileged to have been briefed on some of it. I happen to have grown up in Roswell, New Mexico, where presumably the Roswell incident of 1947 took place and I’m quite knowledgeable about it there since I grew up there. But I’ve also been in military circles and intelligence circles that know below the surface of what has been public knowledge that, yes, we have been visited.

(Da li je mogao jasnije da kaze da vanzemaljci postoje i da su nas posetili ovde na Planeti Zemlji. A to je upravo ono sto na stotine kredibilnih wistleblowera pokusava da nam kaze. I ono sto je veoma bitno da je nama LJUDIMA uskracena ta informacija. Niko nema pravo da nam uskracuje takvo saznanje. Ono pripada nama samim tim sto smo rodjeni kao ljudi na ovoj planeti.)

Margerrison: AND YOU’RE SERIOUS? YOU’RE NOT GOING TO GO, ‘I WAS JUST PULLING YOUR LEG ABOUT THAT?’ THAT IT’S NOT TRUE? I’M WONDERING IF I’VE STUMBLED UPON ASTRONAUT HUMOR AND IN A COUPLE OF MINUTES YOU’RE GOING TO GO, ‘I WAS ONLY PULLING YOUR LEG’?

Mitchell: No, I won’t do that.

Margerrison: WOW! SO YOU’VE BEEN BRIEFED ON THE FACT THAT WE’VE BEEN VISITED?

Mitchell: Well, briefed is one word for it. I have been involved in much of this work – it’s not my main work. It’s not my main interest. But I’ve been deeply involved in certain committees and research programs with very credible scientists and various intelligence people that do know the real inside story and I am not hesitant to talk about it.

(Postoji dakle citava ultra tajna organizacija koja se bavi vanzemaljcima i koja ukljucuje najbolje naucnike i druge osobe. I to je takodje upravo ono sto mnogo wistleblowera govori. )

Margerrison: WHAT IS THE REAL INSIDE STORY?

Mitchell: That’s what I’m telling you: we have been visited.

Margerrison: IS IT REGULAR CONTACT? OR ONE CRASH? OR?

Mitchell: Well, no, there is quite a bit of contact going on. I can’t tell you because I don’t know all the extent of it, not all of the inside details because that is not my really main interest.

But the fact that we have been visited, that the (July 1947) Roswell crash is real and a number of other contacts have been real and ongoing is pretty well known to those of us who have been briefed and been close to the subject matter.

(Postoji stalan kontakt sa vanzemaljskim rasama!!! Takodje mnogi wistlebloweri ovo potvrdjuju. )

Margerrison: SO, WHY IS IT BEING COVERED UP THEN? WHY IS IT NOT MAINSTREAM?

Mitchell: The reason for that goes back to when the main instances started taking place after World War II when in the United States at least – I can’t speak for the European governments or South American governments. All of them recently have started opening their files. This has started to open up and the internet, or look at some of the international press, you’ll start to get the stories that are coming out now.

Margerrison: BUT I’VE HAD PEOPLE ON THE SHOW TELLING ME THAT GOVERNMENTS ARE MOUNTING TOWARDS DISCLOSURE, TOWARDS SAYING THIS IS THE CASE. DO YOU THINK IT WILL BE THE CASE THAT THERE WILL BE AN ACTUAL DISCLOSURE ON THIS MAYBE THIS YEAR. THAT THE GOVERNMENTS …

Mitchell: I don’t know whether it will be this year in the United States, but certainly we’ve already had it in the last few years from the Belgium government, from the French government, from the Brazilian government, the Mexican government – they’ve opened their (UFO) files and admitted they had the files.

Margerrison: OK, LET ME GET MY HEAD TOGETHER. LISTEN, HERE’S WHAT I KNOW. I’VE HAD PEOPLE ON THE SHOW TALKING ABOUT THE FACT THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS SAID THAT BELIEF IN LIFE ON OTHER PLANETS DOES NOT COMPROMISE YOUR CATHOLICISM.

Mitchell: Of course, that just happened recently in association, I believe, with a major release from the British government of some of the British files. They were not your deepest files, but they were some files released.

Margerrison: WHAT’S HAPPENING OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS –ALL OF THE UFO FILES HERE IN THE U. K. ARE BEING RELEASED. DO YOU THINK IT’S THE CASE THAT WE ARE RAMPING UP TO MAYBE THE U. K. ADMITTING?

Mitchell: I can’t say how fast it’s going to happen, but certainly the public awareness of it is increasing, the public acceptance is increasing. The amount of misinformation, covert and actual attempts to cover up seem to be decreasing. I think we’re headed for real disclosure by some serious organizations moving in that direction.

(Interesantno, i ja to isto pokusavam da naglasim ovde)

Margerrison: YOU’VE HAD A LONG TIME TO THINK ABOUT THIS. WHAT DO YOU THINK THE IMPACT WILL BE ON THE WORLD WHEN IT IS FINALLY MAINSTREAM NEWS THAT THERE ARE ALIEN BEINGS FROM OUTSIDE THIS PLANET?

Mitchell: Well, I think at this point, it’s probably a whole bunch of ‘What’s new?’ I think that certainly in the United States that well over 70% of the people now accept this as fact. While they do not know all the correct story, they do know there has been – or accept the fact – that there has been visitation and see UFOs in the skies all the time that are very likely alien craft. Now, not all of them (aerial craft) are. I suspect that some of them are homegrown. I suspect that in the past sixty years or so that there has been some back-engineering (of E. T. technologies) and the creation of this type of equipment. But it’s not nearly as sophisticated yet as what the visitors have.

(Da li nekome ove tvrdnje zvuce poznato? )

Margerrison: SO, AS PART OF YOUR KNOWING ABOUT ALL THIS AND ALSO GOING PUBLIC WITH IT, DO YOU WORRY ABOUT YOUR SAFETY WITH THIS KIND OF STUFF? OR …

Mitchell: Oh, I think those days are gone. That used to be a concern among the people on the inside. But I don’t think they are knocking anybody off (for talking) any more or doing drastic things to them.

(A to je upravo razlog zbog cega toliko mnogo ljudi je skupilo hrabrost da javno istupi. Dakle ne zbog toga sto su "patoloski lazovi" kako neki "doktori" ovde tvrde.)

Margerrison: WHAT DO YOU THINK THE INTENT OF THE ALIENS IS? IS IT HOSTILE OR PEACEFUL?

Not at all, it’s not hostile. It’s pretty obvious that if it were hostile, we would have been gone by now.

Margerrison: (laughs) REALLY?!

Mitchell: We could have been (gone by now).

Margerrison: WOW!

Mitchell: We would have no defense if that’s what their real intent was.

Margerrison: ARE WE TALKING – WHAT DO THEY LOOK LIKE?

Mitchell: You’ve seen some of the pictures. The pictures that I know of, some of them are these little people that look strange to us. As far as I know from my (professional) contacts that have had contact, that’s pretty accurate.

Margerrison: DO YOU THINK OTHER PEOPLE WHO WERE INVOLVED WITH THE MOON LANDINGS KNOW ABOUT THIS?

Mitchell: Some of them do. But again, like other people, if you are interested enough to dig into it and want to know about it, you can know about it.

(Od pocetka teme vam govorim ovo isto. Sve sto vam treba da se obavestite nalazi se slobodno i dostupno na internetu. Ono sto vas sprecava to da vidite su razlozi druge prirode.)

(Cell phone musical sound)

Margerrison: LISTEN, I KNOW YOU ARE A BUSY GUY AND I HEAR YOUR PHONE.

Mitchell: Yes, people don’t leave me alone. The phone is ringing all the time and I’m here by myself.

Margerrison: THIS IS EASILY ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT CONVERSATIONS OF MY LIFE – UNBELIEVABLE! I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.”

Mitchell: You bet.

Margerrison: AND DR. ED MITCHELL, LISTEN – YOU’RE A FRIEND OF THE SHOW, IF YOU WANT TO ACCEPT THAT FRIENDSHIP, AND WOW! WHAT AN INCREDIBLE CONVERSATION. THANKS FOR JOINING US.

Mitchell: I’m glad you enjoyed it.”


Znaci, prestani da se ponizavas sa svojim ne iskrenim analizama i ne kulturnim komentarima. Pod tim podrazumevam da najvise lazes samog sebe. Trebalo bi da razmislis malo o tome.