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icon Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda29.05.2009. u 14:04 - pre 154 meseci
Dakle, dopis je uručen

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U skladu sa čl. 15. i 17. Zakona o izmenama i dopunama Zakona o budžetu Republike Srbije za 2009. godinu („Službeni glasnik RS“, broj 31/2009, u daljem tekstu: Zakon), koji je stupio na snagu 1. maja 2009. godine, obaveštavamo vas da imate obavezu da 40% sopstvenih prihoda (izvor 04), uplatite na račun za uplatu javnih prihoda broj …..



Sad ostaje da vidimo da li propada obrazovanje ili plan vlade, hoće li prštati ostavke dekana i rektora …. ili će da prsne rebalans ...
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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda29.05.2009. u 14:31 - pre 154 meseci
Zanimljivo. Covek koji citav zivot polaze na vaznost obrazovanja, od osnovne skole, do fakulteta, a ovamo bira da sakati umesto da gradi.
 
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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda29.05.2009. u 20:03 - pre 154 meseci
Problem je u tome što će osnovne/srednje škole kao i univerzitetske ustanove jako teško funkcionisati od novca koji im ostane jer su dotiranja od strane budžeta i lokalne samouprave simbolična, tačnije pokrivaju osnovne potrebe funkcionisanja.
Ostatak novca neće moći da pokrije tekuće troškove pa će se mnogi naći u velikoj neprilici.
Sa druge strane, budžet ima rupu tj. deficit od 5% umesto 3% koliko je obećala MMF-u, pa ako se ne izbori za povećanje deficita i novog zaduživanja kod pomenutog MMF-a ostaje joj da još skreše budžet ili da poveća PDV.
Uzimanje novca od obrazovanja, kojeg i onako ima malo samo govori koliko je dogorelo, a ja se plašim da će ova uredba ma koliko trajala, ostaviti posledice koje će se sanirati dugo nakon ukidanja.

A zna se kuda vodi kresanje obrazovanja.

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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda29.05.2009. u 20:20 - pre 154 meseci
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A zna se kuda vodi kresanje obrazovanja.


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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda29.05.2009. u 21:01 - pre 154 meseci
Plus cinjenica da 10% gradjana Srbije poseduje pasos... Mi pa Belorusija :(
Jeff, one day you’ll understand that it’s harder to be kind than clever.
 
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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda30.05.2009. u 09:42 - pre 154 meseci
e veselo...a kakve to prihode inace ima osnovna skola?
srednjoj su jos "u moje vreme" [lol] nametnuli one rekete svake godine,ali osnovna je i dalje besplatna [barem sto se upisnine tice]

jbte,umesto da tamo ulazu lovu,da daju knjige...oni ce da kresu...idiotluk
 
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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda30.05.2009. u 10:36 - pre 154 meseci
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Horvat: ..a kakve to prihode inace ima osnovna skola?
srednjoj su jos "u moje vreme" [lol] nametnuli one rekete svake godine,ali osnovna je i dalje besplatna [barem sto se upisnine tice]


Konkretno, ako pitaš za osnovnu školu, pod sopstvenim prihodima se smatra izdavanje školskog prostora za recimo knjižaru ili pekaru, kao i fiskulturne sale sportskim klubovima.
Postoje i drugi vidovi sopstvenih prihoda a da se oni ne odnose na školarinu, dok školski dinar koji pominješ ne spada u kategoriju sopstvenih prihoda


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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda30.05.2009. u 11:14 - pre 154 meseci
a ukoliko ne izdaje? ili cak ni nema salu?
 
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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda30.05.2009. u 11:20 - pre 154 meseci
Horvat klasicno razvlaci temu.

Neko je napisao rec "ostavke"...to ne postoji u nasem recniku, odnosno nema realnu upotrebnu vrednost.

Osim sto su nepismeni, pardon neobrazovani, najbolje glasacko telo, ocigledno je da Srbija nije predvidjena da bude intelektualna, vec usluzna drzava.

Od Bolonje, do kresanja novca. Nakon silnih obecanja da ce biti besplatno skolovanje, sve besplatno...kad ono, prazan budzet, gradjani su prevarili politicke kandidate, taman kada su kandidati pomislili da su zaglabali vlast i da je krenula lavina love u dzepove, kvrc, prazno bure...

Eee..posto to ne moze tako, zna se ko je vlast, sada cemo malo da otpustamo nevernike, da malo smanjimo troskove, da bi ostalo dovoljno za potebe licne prirode..

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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda30.05.2009. u 13:35 - pre 154 meseci
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Zoran Rodic: ...pod sopstvenim prihodima se smatra izdavanje školskog prostora za recimo knjižaru ili pekaru, kao i fiskulturne sale sportskim klubovima...

Jeste kod nas obrazovanje u zalosnom stanju, ali ako su im ovo sopstveni prihodi, onda je bolje da im ih uzmu, jer ce ovi iz drzave opet da da vrate bardeo u nesto korisno a deo da ukradu, a koliko ja znam ove ovde, ovi iz skola ce devet desetina da potrose na razne terevenke i da pokradu, a samo za 10% ima da kupe krede ili nesto slicno kol'ko da upisu tamo da su kao te pare potrosili.
 
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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda30.05.2009. u 14:01 - pre 154 meseci
ok vladd,da preformulisem
koliko ce se obrazovnim ustanovama davati iz budzeta novca?
jer opste stanje skolstva je vec sad u tujcu,a ne jos da kresu i ta bedna "primanja",pogotovo sto se strucnog dela tice [pa u osnovnoj ne postoje aparature za fiziku i hemiju za one sitne oglede,a ne u daljem skolstvu]...

ali izgleda sve to ima svoje "zato"
 
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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda30.05.2009. u 14:55 - pre 154 meseci
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Lesli Eldridz: ... ovi iz skola ce devet desetina da potrose na razne terevenke i da pokradu, a samo za 10% ima da kupe krede ili nesto slicno kol'ko da upisu tamo da su kao te pare potrosili.


Terevenke su ipak zaštitni znak zadriglih uglednih privrednika i političara a ne prosvetnih radnika koji jednom godišnje proslave Dan škole u društvu uglednih opštinara i pesnika duge kose i usput isprate Kevu u penziju.

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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda30.05.2009. u 16:03 - pre 154 meseci
Aaaa, a osmi mart, pa onda po kancelarijama pice i kafa, pa drpanje kompjutera... More sve je to ista bagra.
 
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EUROPE'S RESPONSES TO ECONOMIC CRISIS
20 February 2009



Austria:
In Austria, the economic crisis is seen as an argument for the government to discard previous promises (made before election) to increase investment in higher education (both in terms of level of funding as well as period to start the increase). There have also been cuts in funds for competitive research funding. Universities hope to be able to convince the government in upcoming negotiations to reinstall some of the promises made before the economic downturn. Reductions in private research funding are anticipated.

Denmark:
The Danish government is to release extra funds for research that had been put aside in 2006. Universities' concerns thus are more focused on whether the investments for the private sector will decrease in the close future. The national rectors' conference therefore insists on the need to invest in higher education and research at times of economic downturn.

Estonia:
The Estonian government is currently discussing budget cuts - latest available numbers were 3% for teaching grants and 1% for research. R&D contracts with both public authorities and private sector are expected to decrease. Tuition fees are also an issue as there is little leeway to increase the rates in times of economic downturn. Parallel to these trends, new funding schemes and governance reforms are under discussion.

Finland:
The Finnish parliament will vote in the first part of 2009 on a new university reform, which includes governance and financial provisions. Universities are expected to raise more funds from the private sector, especially from business, which could be difficult in the context of the economic crisis. Government plans include increased investment to lessen effect of the economic crisis, but modalities are still being worked upon, thus it is unclear whether universities will benefit from such a package.

France:
In France, the CPU did not report any foreseeable budget cuts in the universities' public funding. To the contrary, the government is engineering a sizeable reform of the higher education sector, which includes not only autonomy but also increased public investment of EUR1 billion per year for the next five years. However, for the first time, there was a decrease in the allocation of civil servants (though it only affected a small number and was rather seen as a symbolic measure).

Germany:
As far as public funding is concerned, universities expect increased investment from the German federal government in terms of building, maintenance and renovation of facilities. This has been confirmed by the announcement of a second stimulus package from the government, which includes investment in universities infrastructure.

However, fears that universities will receive less than promised have recently arisen. The sector would need 1/3 of the money earmarked for education, i.e. around EUR2.9 million. Cuts might affect future funding schemes to make up for the large amounts that will be spent under the stimulus package. So far there is no indication on how far the economic crisis will affect private funding, which essentially relates to research work.

Greece:
Chronic under-financing of Greek universities should not be eclipsed by the current economic crisis. Despite announcements that the government intends to increase public funding to universities in the future, there is so far no data on how much will effectively be passed on to higher education institutions.

Hungary:
In Hungary, the situation faced by higher education institutions (colleges and universities) appears more difficult, with decreases of 7% in public funding already announced. Higher education institutions thus have to reduce the number of civil servant positions.

Italy:
Italian universities expect to feel the impact of the crisis by the academic year 2010/2011, for which the government has announced decreases in public funding of around 10% which are expected to have a major impact on universities.

Lithuania:
The Lithuanian government, newly elected, has announced cuts in public funding of up to 10%. The government is also in the process of passing a new law which will lead to more regulation of higher education institutions.

Norway:
Universities in Norway do not suffer from any obvious effect of the crisis yet; however, awareness that the situation could worsen is rising, and the national rectors' conference has been trying to argue for public funding increases to prevent this.

Investment in higher education, especially targeted at increasing the number of students, in particular at PhD level, will benefit the economy (rather than financially supporting increasing unemployed populations). Part of the money mobilized in the stimulus package will benefit universities, notably through infrastructure expenditure (building maintenance and renovation).

Poland:
The Polish Government announced budget cuts for higher education and research in the range of 6-7%. The cuts will affect research more strongly than teaching. It is expected that investments and renovations will be most severely affected (many investments are however financed through EU programmes and hopefully will be carried out). Also, financial aid for students is expected to decrease.

Portugal:
The Portuguese government is not considering further cuts in universities' public funding due to the crisis (but has carried out such cuts previously). However, universities do expect difficulties as far as private funding is concerned (fear of less commitment from the business side, for instance).

Spain:
The financial situation in some of the Spanish public universities has gotten worse due to political declarations of the presidents of some of the different regions of the country announcing big cuts on the foreseen budget for universities.

Regarding Research and Development, the normal pace of announcing and calling the different research programmes by the Government has been altered and, in some cases, even reduced. That is the case of the research plan known as Ingenio-Consolider, born in 2005 and that was planned to announce its calls once a year and was not announced for the year 2008 call. The same happens to the Cénit research programme.

On 30 January, the Spanish Government passed an action plan to support the Spanish university system in its modernisation and approved a strategic plan known as Estrategia Universidad 2015. The action plan contributes with EUR37 million to first- and second-cycle degrees scholarships (which implies a 4% increase in the total public budget for scholarships) and EUR85 million to help universities adapt its structures and study plans to the new regulations regarding the new European higher education frame.

Switzerland:
Swiss universities do not expect any cuts in public funding as a result of the crisis. The new federal law will not enter into force before 2012, which will have the effect of implementing a new funding formula from 2016 onwards. However, universities might face financial difficulties in their non-publicly funded activities as the salaries of civil servants increase in real terms. There is a fear that the economic crisis serves as a motive for reductions in public and private donations.

The Netherlands:
The Dutch rectors' conference has reported difficulties in negotiating with the government for public funding increases in this context; however, no direct budget cuts are planned so far. The rectors' conference is especially concerned about sensitive areas in research and innovation where collaboration with the business sector is endangered as companies tend to pull back from their financial commitment. Thus the government is called to step in and invest strategically for a limited period, until business is confident enough to renew its cooperation with universities.

United Kingdom:
British universities have been affected by the financial crisis in different ways. The media has focused on instances where some universities had deposits in Icelandic banks, and where some universities' endowment funds have declined in value due to the economic crisis. So far, the economic downturn does not seem to be affecting student recruitment, indeed, rather the reverse.

The Department for Innovation, Universities and Skills announced in January that additional student numbers for 2009-10 should not exceed the 10,000 already allocated. However, this is not a direct consequence of the economic downturn, rather it should be viewed in a context of a massive increase in participation in HE over the last 10 years and the need to manage the consequent call on public funds.

Following the publication of the Research Assessment Exercise results, public funding for teaching will increase by 3.2% and for research by 4.5% in 2009-10. The allocation of research funding per institution will be published in March.

A EUR71 million "Economic Challenge Investment Fund" has been set up to enable universities to respond rapidly to the needs of employers and individuals during the crisis, which is in line with the proactive approach of Universities UK. The association has implemented a communication campaign promoting the role of universities in helping business in times of economic downturn ("Standing Together" publication).

Source: European Universities Association
 
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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda30.05.2009. u 17:22 - pre 154 meseci
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Horvat: ok vladd,da preformulisem
koliko ce se obrazovnim ustanovama davati iz budzeta novca?
jer opste stanje skolstva je vec sad u tujcu,a ne jos da kresu i ta bedna "primanja",pogotovo sto se strucnog dela tice [pa u osnovnoj ne postoje aparature za fiziku i hemiju za one sitne oglede,a ne u daljem skolstvu]...

ali izgleda sve to ima svoje "zato"


Pa da i ja preformulisem odgovor, iako je poprilicno jasan. Ali ga ni stil nije shvatio, kada daje pozitivne primere ozbiljnih zemalja, i onih manje ozbiljnih, koje zele da se vise uozbilje.

Cudan je podatak da ni posle 10 god "revolucije", i pre toga 12 god osme sednice, nije napravljen nacionalni program razvoja, ni nauke ni skolstva, o privredi da ne pricam.

Jednostavno se nastavila neka kolotecina.

Nepostojanje cilja, ne postojanje plana, proizvodi da se gradjani, deca i malo veca deca, skoluju haoticno, nenamenski, nepotrebno. Bice nezaposleni sa diplomom.

Takodje, mladi, zahvaljujuci lukavosti roditelja, biraju specificne skole, da bi se ugurali u drzavnu upravu. Koja eto, moze sebe da izdrzava dok sve ne rasproda. Siguran posao, dobra plata, nista se ne radi, a moze da se dodatno naplati neka uslugica...

No..

Izdvajanja za nauku su 0,3% BDP-a, evropski prosek nesto preko 3, kod najrazvijenijih, tehnoloski, oko 7%.

To vec dovoljno govori..detaljisanje je vise kao nabrajanje sta je sve lose...

Ili se razmisljalo o prostoj trgovini belim robljem, ili ovcicama(kada vec same preskacu ogradu), pa su organizovani i "inkubatori", posto se odustalo od tehnoloskih parkova, to je staticna forma, ne ide nigde, sta ce nam.

Ovaj sled dogadjaja, "pametne glave" su morale da predvide, posto su saucesnici projekta, zaradi pare na svom poslu, u trenutku nedostatka novca.

Kada vec shvataju, da nije rec o "solidarnosti" sa drugim obrazovnim institucijama, vec o prostom otimanju para i navodnoj preraspodeli...kome...pa zna se

Tako da nece "pljustati ostavke", saucesnika, vec ce doci do zatezanja oko "proizvodnje" pametnih glavica za prodaju. Ovde, nicemu vise ne sluze.

Poz.

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Sustina je, proizvoditi robu za izvoz, mlade naucnike, koji ce grbaciti po zemljama koje vise izdvajaju za nauku, i imaju skuplje uslove za razvoj naucnika. Tako ce visoko skolstvo da opstane u nekom(prelaznom) periodu. Ali, azdaja od drzave je ostala bez hrane, i sada se odrzava cinovnicki aparat, kao sustina drzave. Sve ostalo je nebitno. Tako funkcionise drzava, navknuta da se "snalazi"
 
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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda30.05.2009. u 18:41 - pre 154 meseci
Mozda im to i jeste cilj. Jedina "privredna grana" koja ovde radi, ako izuzmemo banke, su donacije koje svojima u domaji salje dijaspora, u iznosu od oko 5 milijardi dolara godisnje. Bez toga, ovi ovde bi se poklali medjusobno jos pre deset godina. Ako ima vise dijsasporaca bice vise i para koje stizu do drugova.
 
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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda30.05.2009. u 21:37 - pre 154 meseci
Ma ne mozda, mogu da potpisem da jeste. Cak je i uslov za "zasluznog naucnika"(one fore, apanaza plus penzija, i da rade dokle 'oce) da je obezbedio uslove za razvoj mladog naucnog narastaja.

Svi placeni evropski programi, FP6, FP7, insistiraju na narastaju.

A narastaj, mladjarija, idealna radna masina, koja moze da visi na nekom eksperimenti 26 sati dnevno, a ako treba i brzo da misli, da pravi i ukucava nenormalno dosadne programe, dok ce matore mudre zapadne glave biti sefovi projekata, kanalisati potrebe, sakupljati slavu i finansijski kajmak..

Naravno, u slucaju neke recesije, lakse je strancima isporuciti stiklu pod rep, bez obaveze, koji ce biti cak i srecni ako ih opet pozovu..

Proizvodi se "naucno radno magare", koje slepo slusa, vredno radi i izlaze se opasnosti da zagine, na x nacina,, za par hiljada evra.

Svima lepo.

A domace institucionalne mrge, dale sebi smisao postojanja u teskim vremenima, proizvode sta treba, bez opasnosti da ih neko ugrozi, cak im se finansira projekat spolja.

Pa ako nekada i zatrebaju pametne glavice(u nekoj dalekoj buducnosti), mozda se neka i prepusti privredi


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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda01.06.2009. u 10:25 - pre 154 meseci
ja sam jednom racunao npr koliko samo strucnjaka diplomiranih izbace nasi fakulteti. Da li ti ljudi ce zaista imati gde da se zaposle s obzirom da nam je privreda rasturena.
 
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Sopocanac: generalno plate svim budzetskim korisnicima moraju pasti za 50tak %


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icon Re: Obrazovanje Budžetu - 40% sopstvenih prihoda01.06.2009. u 12:07 - pre 154 meseci
Ste ce nekome kola od 3000 kubika. Nema nafte vise na planeti za takvo izivljavanje. A plate prvo treba da prepolove mafiji u belom. Imaju oni svoje "poklone" , dosta im je i to.
 
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