Raseljavanje stanovnika pod Gazelom

Ivan Dimkovic: Cesto ih ljudi zovu lokalizmima, cigani / gypsies / pikeys / zigeuner itd...

Ti nazivi su nastali tokom prvih susreta evropskih naroda sa Romima i danas se koriste iz navike - njihovo zvanicno ime kao i etimologija i poreklo su objasnjeni u onom linku koji sam okacio.

Zvanican naziv Romani kao i Roma/Rom za konkretnu grupu iz centralne i istocne Evrope nije niko "izmislio" tek tako, u svakom slucaju - ako nekoga zanima moze uvek da se raspita.

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ali cinjenica je da ih niko ne zove tako.

Isto kao sto ne verujem da ti koristis African-American za sve americke crnce niti Asian-American za sve americke azijate.

Ivan Dimkovic: Ne, ja americke crnce zovem Amerikancima, sto i jesu. A to i nema puno veze sa ovim slucajem - Romi su narod - i imaju zvanicno ime i ja licno koristim zvanicni termin jer je precizan i neutralan.

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Hm, a kako precizno i neutralno objasnis da se radi o amerikancu crne boje koze?

Ivan Dimkovic: Mislim da se ovde mesaju 2 stvari - jedna je stvar opste informisanosti - koga zanima malo vise moze procitati onaj vrlo koristan link koji sam poslao - "ciganin" je izuzetno neodredjena rec koja uz to ima i pogrdnu konotaciju u nekim kontekstima u Srbiji - Romi su specificna grupa Romana pa cak i oni nisu tako homogeni, mada "Roma/Rom" jeste opste-prihvacen termin za te stanovnike ovih predela.

Tsigani, cigány

In much of continental Europe, Romanies are known by names cognate to the Greek τσιγγάνοι tsigani , including Hungarian: cigány [ˈtsiɡaːɲ]), Romanian: Ţigani, German: Zigeuner, Italian: Zingari, Turkish: Çingene, Norwegian: Sigøynere, Polish: Cyganie, Russian: Cыganы, Ukrainian: Cigani, Czech: Cigáni, etc.

The name originates with Byzantine Greek ατσίγγανοι (atsinganoi, Latin adsincani) or αθίγγανοι (athinganoi), applied to Romanies during Byzantine times, in reference to a 9th-century heretical sect that had been accused of practising magic and fortune-telling.[13][14][15]

There are two different opinions about the origin of the word.

According to the first, although in use by the Byzantines, the word has Latin origin: "ad sin cani" means "at sin of dog" and is related to the following story. An eleventh century text preserved in Mt Athos, “The Life of Saint George the Athonite” (written in Georgian language), tells us that in 1050AD Emperor Constantine Monomachos complained about wild animals, who were destroying the game in the Imperial park of Philopation. He employed "a Samaritan people, descendants of Simeon the Magician, named Adsincani, who were renowned sorcerers and villains". They left at various places pieces of meat over which they had spoken a spell for killing the beasts. The emperor was very impressed and asked for the Adsincani to perform their magic in his presence. The Adsincani repeated their magic as requested, but St George stepped forward and, before the beast in question could devour the meat, made the sign of the cross over it, and the wild animal survived. This impressed the emperor even more than the Adsincani's trick and he declared: "as long as this holy man stands near me I shall not fear either the sorcerers or their deadly poison." (P. Peeters, 'Histoire monastiques géorgiennes', Analecta Bollandiana, 36-37, 1917-19.)

According to the second, the word "Athingani" means "people who do not want others to touch them – not wanting to be touched – untouchables", coming from the Greek verb θίγω (to touch). In Byzantine documents, the name Athingani was already used. It is derived from their custom of remaining detached from other groups of the population.[16]

Ivan Dimkovic: Dark-coloured American, black-origin, sta god...

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ALARM! ALARM! Upravo je prekrsena politicka korektnost! ;)

Ivan Dimkovic: Iskreno, mene smara "politicka korektnost" - medjutim, za razliku od "Black American" koji je sasvim normalan izraz, "NIGGER" je vec potencijalno uvredljiv izraz - to je jednostavno tako, glupo je uopste ulaziti u polemiku zasto je to tako - odvec je kasno, to sto se desilo se desilo i jbg....