Puč u Turskoj - prekid sa politikom islamizacije zemlje

vladd: :)

Moguce je da se neko prevesla i preceni svoje snage, ali takav puc traje nekoliko dana, osvajaju se punktovi...itd..a ovooo..malo je reci smejurija..

vladd:
Nema tu nikakve "teorije zavere", sve se konkretnije oglasavaju politicki zvanicnici...

nemojopetlebati
Ako izigra to poverenje hodže ga neće spasti.

dusanboss:
3way jel ti stvarno veruješ u "zvaničnu" Erdoganovu verziju puča?

Updates on the aftermath of the failed coup attempt in Turkey:
(18.07.2016 - 19:30 pm Ankara time)

Death toll:

- 208 people died (60 policemen, 3 soldiers, 145 civilians) and 1491 injured while resisting the coup attempt, according to numbers given by PM Binali Yıldırım. There are a few high-profile people very close to the government among civilian casualties.

- 104 soldiers died on the pro-coup side.

The coup-plotters:

- It looks quite evident now, based on multiple clues and various independent and trustable sources, that the main perpetrators of the coup attempt are members of Fethullah Gülen Movement (a semi-secretive interest group disguised as a pro-western moderate Islamic social movement) who have been infiltrating the army in the last 45 years, and they have apparently persuaded some secularists to cooperate as well.

- Some soldiers who took part in the coup attempt were expecting a forced retirement this summer, and some others were expecting to get arrested on the 16th of July related to an ongoing legal case concerning the Gülenist infiltration in the army, explaining why the coup attempt was hastily and prematurely carried out on the 15th.

- Many young conscripts on their obligatory military duty who took part in the coup attempt claim that they were fooled by their superiors that they were going to carry out a drill or military exercize.

- Political tensions flared up between Turkey and USA due to an alleged USA involvement in the coup attempt and USA's reluctance to extradict Fethullah Gülen from Pennsylvania to Turkey.

Detentions and purges:

- At least 3000 soldiers are detained in relation to the coup attempt, including around 20% of the generals in the army.

- Some young conscripts were beaten/lynched by civilians after they surrendered, with some eventually getting killed.

- There is evidence of widespread psychological torture of soldiers during detention and under interrogation, including the conscripts.

- At least 2750 judges and prosecutors in the judiciary got first sustained and then detained on charges of being Gülenists. This was something expected to happen for quite a while. However it is quite unlikely that all of these people are Gülenists, and for those who are Gülenists, it is unclear whether all of them took part in the illegal activities of the Fethullah Gülen network.

- 7899 police officers, 614 gendarmerie officers and 77 governors got suspended this morning in relation to the coup attempt.

- Ministry of Finance suspended 1500 employees.

- Public employees are banned from leaving the country.

- Ministry of Interior banned lawyers from visiting political prisoners until a second order.

- There is a strong popular demand to reinstantiate the death penalty, and the government said they will seriously discuss this "democratic demand".

- An advisor of Erdoğan announced on TV that the laws to acquire guns should be loosened so that the citizens can defend themselves in future coup attempts.

Anti-coup celebrations and fascist/reactionary mobilization:

- Erdoğan called on to the people not to leave the streets and squares for the whole week in case of a second coup attempt. Mosques have also been making announcements urging people to go out on the streets. Istanbul Metropolitan Municipality sent an SMS to all their employees obligating them to attend the anti-coup demonstrations.

- There are many violent, ultra-nationalist and fundamentalist elements among those who heed the government's call to go out on the streets to demonstrate. Quite a few violent incidents were reported last night, with demonstrators trying to attack neighborhoods known to be populated by leftists and the Alevi minority, setting Syrian shops on fire, and harrassing alcohol-drinkers. Friends from the eastern town of Gaziantep report that the excitement on the street is at such a level that it would take just one final spark for it turn into a fundamentalist/fascist riot.

- 9 leftists who were trying to prevent some provocation by demonstrators were arrested on charges of "supporting the coup".

- The police has released a statement encouraging people to inform against social media accounts that "support terrorism", which is understood by many as any harsh criticism of the government and of what is going on on the street.

well it wasn't "staged" that's for sure, it was a bloddy coup attempt with a lot of perpetrators, clashing with the police and other soldiers, dying in clashes, getting caught red-handed, arrested, their communications revealed, etc. the question is whether it was instigated by Erdoğan with the help of people who work for him in the army, and I see no evidence of that, and quite a lot of evidence to the contrary, that the political context is such that these people would try out a coup. the more interesting question is how come the government didn't receive intelligence on such a big and quite sophisticatedly planned uprising in the army. there the answer might be that they did but didn't want to stop it, so that all the people they would like to get rid of would reveal themselves, plus other political gains (mass purges, populism boost, justified authoritarianism, international image pimping, etc.)

Vole Domu: Evo šta je prijatelj iz Turske, doktor filozofije koji se jako zanima za politiku napisao o svemu ovome na svojoj fejsbuk stranici, verujem da će neke od vas zanimati: