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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana13.03.2011. u 14:33 - pre 158 meseci
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mmix: Ajd sad procitaj ponovo sta si napisao ;) (hint 2004-a je bila pre 7 godina 8))

Postoje preciznija mjerenja, pa ce po njima ovog puta Mjesec biti blizi Zemlji vec sto je bio 2004.(ne mnogo, al' razlika postoji) tako da stoji konstatacija da je najblizi u posljednjih nekoliko desetina godina. A opet sa druge strane, to ne mijenja fakat da je situacija svejedno prilicno slicna. Tj. sada ce biti na 356K km, a 2004. je bio na 357K km od Zemlje. ;)
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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana13.03.2011. u 14:58 - pre 158 meseci
Problem sa novim reaktorom... ono prvo je valjda bio reaktor 1, ovo je sada reaktor broj 3 iste nuklearne centrale.

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Officials in Japan warn of new explosion at Fukushima

Officials in Japan have warned of a risk of another explosion at the Fukushima power plant, damaged in Friday’s earthquake.The government claims the plant can withstand the blast, just as the first reactor did on Saturday.
Japan’s chief government spokesman, Yukio Edano, said Sunday that the reactor at Unit 3 of the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear facility could go into meltdown and an explosion was possible. Reports state the reactor’s fuel rods have been exposed to the air for too long and have been damaged.

Further concerns were raised after the level of radiation in the nearby Miyagi prefecture increased 400-fold. It is not clear at the moment if the radiation came from the local nuclear plant, which was reported to be functioning properly, or drifted up from the Daiichi facility at Fukushima following Saturday's explosion.


http://rt.com/news/officials-explosion-fukoshima-claims/

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U nuklearnoj elektrani Fukušima - Daići sinoć je registrovan kvar na rashladnom sistemu još jednog reaktora, zbog čega postoji rizik od nove eksplozije, javio je AFP. Agencija za nuklearnu i industrijsku bezbednost Japana saopštila je da je reč o reaktoru broj tri, ne navodeći dodatne detalje, preneo je AP.

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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 05:43 - pre 158 meseci
Izgleda da ce biti neko zesce ....

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Japan: Gori 4. reaktor, radijacija opasna!

Japanska agencija za nuklearnu bezbednost saopštila je da se čula eksplozija u bloku dva nuklearne elektrane u Fukušimi, da bi nedugo zatim stiglo i saopštenje da gori i četvrti reaktor u elektrani Daići, kao i da je "radijacija dostigla nivo koji može da utiče na zdravlje ljudi".

Prva eksplozija u nuklearki u Fukušimi dogodila se 12. marta i od tada je situacija sve napetija

Glavni sekretar Vlade Japana Jukio Edano je upozorio da svi koji se nalaze u krugu od 30 kilometara od nuklearke treba da ostanu u kućama, kao i da je gotovo celokupno osoblje Daići elektrane - oko 800 ljudi - napustilo postrojenje. Prema Edanovim rečima, u elektrani je ostalo samo oko 50 radnika koji su izloženi opasnosti i koji pokušavaju da ohlade reaktore....

http://www.vesti-online.com/Ve...ri-4-reaktor-radijacija-opasna

Prvo kazu da su sredili stanje, pa onda pukne jos jedan reaktor (pored 2 sa kojima imaju problema), a zatim i cetvrti?! Sada su svi reaktori (ima ih 4) u kvaru... tj. popucali...
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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 06:53 - pre 158 meseci
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jericho1405: Ovih dana(tacnije 19. marta) ce Mjesec biti najblizi Zemlji u posljednjih nekoliko desetina godina(slicna situacija je bila 2004.), tako da se, na zalost, moze ocekivati jos podrhtavanja kako u Japanu, tako i u drugim zemljama trusnog tla. Takodje, moguce su i erupcije vulkana.


Ovo sa Mesecom je jedna od najvecih gluposti koje sam procitao u skorije vremen.
Za nepucene, kratko i jednostavno:

Mesec NEMA nikakve veze sa ovim niti 'blizina' Meseca moze da utice na zemljotrese i vulkane (osim u glavama astrologa).


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Totalni medijski blackout na delu.


???
Polovina svetskih kamera je uperena u te reaktore, znamo vec kako i u kakvim smenama rade cistaci WC-a u Fukosimi, a ti kazes "blackout"?
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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 07:06 - pre 158 meseci
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Ovo sa Mesecom je jedna od najvecih gluposti koje sam procitao u skorije vremen.
Za nepucene, kratko i jednostavno:

Mesec NEMA nikakve veze sa ovim niti 'blizina' Meseca moze da utice na zemljotrese i vulkane (osim u glavama astrologa).


A to tvrdis na osnovu cega? Jos samo da kazes da gravitacija Meseca ne utice na plimu i oseku...
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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 07:15 - pre 158 meseci
Na osnovu toga sto su neki pametni ljudi odavno to utvrdili...

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"The effects on Earth from a supermoon are minor, and according to the most detailed studies by terrestrial seismologists and volcanologists, the combination of the moon being at its closest to Earth in its orbit, and being in its 'full moon' configuration (relative to the Earth and sun), should not affect the internal energy balance of the Earth since there are lunar tidesevery day," Garvin wrote


http://www.space.com/11113-sup...-science-nasa-explanation.html
http://www.universetoday.com/8...cause-the-earthquake-in-japan/
http://www.lifeslittlemysterie...trigger-japan-earthquake-1451/


A ni to sto je pun Mesec takodje nije opasno, za razliku od toga sta tvrde astrolozi...
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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 07:42 - pre 158 meseci
Kaze : should not.

Ovo su sve pretpostavke. Nema dokaza da je tako ili da nije tako...
 
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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 08:06 - pre 158 meseci
Sirenja i skupljanja koja svakodnenvno zemlja trpi kao posledica energetskog/termalnog upliva od sunca daleko prevazilazi ona koja poticu od gravitacione razlike meseca izmedju najdalje i najblize tacke. Da mesec moze ovo da nam priredjuje raspadali bi se svaki dan od sunca.
Sloba je za 12 godina promenio antropološki kod srpskog naroda. On je od jednog naroda koji je bio veseo, pomalo površan, od jednog naroda koji je bio znatiželjan, koji je voleo da vidi, da putuje, da upozna,
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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 08:31 - pre 158 meseci
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Slobodan Miskovic: Kaze : should not.

Ovo su sve pretpostavke. Nema dokaza da je tako ili da nije tako...


Nema nikakvih dokaza.
A tek kada se pogodi galakticko poravnanje, pun Mesec i Jupiter u trecem ascendentu od Sunca nastaje katastrofa globalnih razmera.
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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 08:59 - pre 158 meseci
Lako moze da se pogleda da li je bilo katastrofa u prethodnim supermesecima i da se dodje do zakljucka. Sta je tu problem da se malo Googla ?
 
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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 10:33 - pre 158 meseci
Ovo se događa unutar nuklearke Fukušima


 
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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 11:21 - pre 158 meseci
Malo je to previse pojednostavljeno i sturo, bar za tercijarni sistem. Bez obzira na potencijalni leak na kucistu reaktora, da je upaljen tercijarni sitem nivo vode u njemu se moze dopunjavati i reaktor ishladiti, to je BWR reaktor i unutra je voda, u krajnjoj liniji moze morska voda direktno da se upuca u tercijarni sisetem i isti ohladi uz cenu gubitka reaktora. Opet nesto kriju, verovatno cinjenicu da ovo nije fail tehnologije vec fail coveka, verovatno menadzmenta firme koji je pored pokvarenog tercijarnog sistema pokusavao da spasi reaktor i $$$ preuzimajuci rizik koji se ocigledno materijalizovao. Sad citam da je poslednja eksplozija provalila reaktorski zid, sad ce tek da postane gadno. Na kraju su izgubili sva cetiri reaktora i napravili debelo sra*je koje je moglo da bude izbegnuto da su zalili reaktore morskom vodom cim su sistemi popadali. Zivi bili pa videli, pokazace istaga.
Sloba je za 12 godina promenio antropološki kod srpskog naroda. On je od jednog naroda koji je bio veseo, pomalo površan, od jednog naroda koji je bio znatiželjan, koji je voleo da vidi, da putuje, da upozna,
od naroda koji je bio kosmopolitski napravio narod koji je namršten, mrzovoljan, sumnjicav, zaplašen, narod koji se stalno nešto žali, kome je stalno neko kriv… - Z.Đinđić
 
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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 11:36 - pre 158 meseci
Pa cim su evropske vlade predlozile evakuaciju gradjana iz Tokija znaci da ima nesto sto se krije, i da je situacija daleko ozbiljnija nego sto se prikazuje.
 
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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 11:40 - pre 158 meseci
I kod Cernobila se nije znalo sta je i kako danima, vec su govorili da je sve uredu...

Btw evo je procedura za dekontaminaciju:

http://bit.ly/e70RnJ

[Ovu poruku je menjao Slobodan Miskovic dana 15.03.2011. u 12:54 GMT+1]
 
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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 12:47 - pre 158 meseci
To je druga prica, nije se znalo danima zbog medijske blokade, sam reaktor je eksplodirao u roku od nekoliko sekundi od nastanka problema. Ovaj sad reaktor nema ko ne snima, da je Chernobyl-level dogadjaj znao bi. U svakom slucaju ovaj reaktor i ne moze da pretrpi nesrecu te vrste, ako i bude meltdown-a nesreca ce biti vise na nivou Three Mile Island nesrece, i inicijalno ispustanje pare je deo koji sprecava eksploziju cernobilskog tipa. Sucks bigtime za japance ali ne utice na ostale kao sto je Chernobyl uticao.
Sloba je za 12 godina promenio antropološki kod srpskog naroda. On je od jednog naroda koji je bio veseo, pomalo površan, od jednog naroda koji je bio znatiželjan, koji je voleo da vidi, da putuje, da upozna,
od naroda koji je bio kosmopolitski napravio narod koji je namršten, mrzovoljan, sumnjicav, zaplašen, narod koji se stalno nešto žali, kome je stalno neko kriv… - Z.Đinđić
 
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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 13:39 - pre 158 meseci
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???
Polovina svetskih kamera je uperena u te reaktore, znamo vec kako i u kakvim smenama rade cistaci WC-a u Fukosimi, a ti kazes "blackout"?
c,c,c,c....

Bravo majstore
c,c,c,c...

A oni (kao) neznaju da su sva 4 od pocetka imala isti problem... da si citao vesti, tj. da te interesovalo, znao bi kakve su informacije i relativno umirujuce poruke stizale od nadleznih. Ja kapiram da ne treba dizati paniku, ali cutati u nadi da ce da se reshi problem, pa onda kad se vidi da je nesto puklo na kamerama par desetina Km dalje, tj. kad nema svrhe cutati vishe, objaviti: eto, puklo je... ali no problem, sad' ce ga opravimo. I tako par puta...
 
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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 14:32 - pre 158 meseci
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Meltdown fears in Japan
Published: 15 March, 2011, 09:12
Edited: 15 March, 2011, 15:53

With a fourth explosion rocking the Fukushima nuclear plant on Tuesday, danger of the spent nuke fuel pool boiling and radiation levels at the facility's gate increasing hundredfold, fears of a meltdown in Japan skyrocket.

In his televised address on Tuesday, Japanese Prime Minister Naoto Kan announced that radiation had spread from the three damaged reactors in the Fukushima nuclear plant. A no-fly zone has been imposed over the facility. The prime minister has also asked people living within 30 kilometers of the Fukushima complex to stay indoors to avoid potential health risks from radiation.
The latest, fourth, hydrogen explosion at Unit 4 of the Fukushima facility resulted in a massive fire at the spent fuel storage pond, which reportedly contains over a thousand spent fuel rods. The fire was eventually put out. Unit 4 itself was not operational, but the hydrogen is believed to have released radiation, the Associated Press reports.
The explosion followed another blast, which hit the facility’s Unit 2 just hours earlier. The country’s nuclear safety agency has announced that it suspects the explosion may have damaged the reactor’s container. AP has quoted an agency spokesperson, Shinji Kinjo, as saying that "a leak of nuclear material is feared."
The operator of Fukushima Dai-Ichi nuclear power plant reported earlier that the cooling system of Unit 2 was fully down, which could lead to overheating of the unit and an explosion similar to those that occurred on Friday and Monday. They admit meltdown is a possibility following the four explosions at the complex.
As the level of cooling liquid continued to lower at Unit 2, the reactor’s fuel rods became partially exposed and therefore even less cooled, informed Kyodo news network. The spokesman for the Fukushima government, Masato Abe, stated that Unit 2's fuel rods “were briefly exposed.”
News agency Kyodo has published a status report on the Fukushima reactors. As of Tuesday evening, local time, all four reactors at Fukushima-2 plant have been shut down after cooling failure. The Fukushima-1 reactors however remain of great concern. Three reactors, which were operational at the moment the earthquake struck, are all either confirmed or suspected to have gone into partial core meltdown. Reactor number four also poses a threat despite being under maintenance at the time, because the fire, which followed an explosion of hydrogen, damaged the pool holding spent fuel rods, and the contaminated water may be seeping through.
The incident at Fukushima-1 nuclear power plant has been assigned the sixth level of emergency out of seven according to the INES (International Nuclear Events Scale).
Japanese Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano confirmed on Tuesday that the radiation levels near the gate of the stricken plant soared to 11930 microsieverts an hour, thousands of times higher than readings before the blast, according to Reuters. That is the equivalent of three years worth of naturally occurring radiation being emitted within a single hour.
By 3pm local time (6am GMT) the radiation level was reported to have dropped by 20 times to 596 microsieverts.

The wind blowing around the plant is Tokyo oriented. Radiation dosage meters located in the capital have registered a radiation increase, but the level is still regarded as safe, Tokyo authorities are reported as saying by Kyodo news agency.
All residents within 20 kilometers of the quake-damaged Fukushima-1 nuclear power plant have been evacuated, says Japan's National Police Agency as reported by NHK broadcaster on Tuesday.
Police are patrolling the 20 to 30 kilometer radius area around the plant and urging residents to stay indoors with their windows shut.
According to weather simulation results released by South Korea's Meteorological Administration on Tuesday, most of the radioactive particles from Japan's damaged nuclear plant in Fukushima will drift toward the Pacific Ocean.
The agency conducted the simulation using the latest weather data to find out how the radioactive particles might spread in the next 24 hours, Japan’s Kyodo news agency reported.
The explosions at the nuclear facilities since Friday's earthquake and tsunami have damaged the cooling systems. Several people have been injured in the blasts, while more than 150 people have been exposed to radiation.
The National Police Agency said that by Tuesday over 10,000 people were confirmed dead or missing, but many unidentified bodies have been detected in quake-hit coastal areas, inevitably raising the death toll, as cited by AP.
Fission out of control
The grim reality is that excessive radiation levels are being detected further and further from the Fukushima-1 nuclear power plant and it is clear the situation is out of control says Dr. Robert Jacobs from the Hiroshima Peace Institute. He adds that its consequences will be devastating for communities and people’s health in Japan.

“There is a growing distress among people in Japan that the information we are receiving is not informing us to the extent that we would like. That does not reduce panic, it just makes people more and more uncertain. They believe they cannot fully trust the information they are being given,” he said.

Placing nuclear power plants in earthquake zones really increases dangers but the main threat of nuclear power as an energy source remains the danger from spent fuel and materials, believes Jacobs.

Vladimir Saenko from Nagasaki University reminds that though radiation is a natural component of everyday life, its potential threat to health depends on the dose a person accumulates.
Saenko admits that the radiation level reported at the Fukushima facility is very dangerous, but the level reported over Japan is still in accordance with the norm.
In addition to staying indoors, wearing protective clothes and masks in order to gain protection from a radiation overdose, people are recommended not to consume food in the streets or that has been exposed to the radiated air.
“Radioactive Iodine is a natural product of the nuclear fuel decay”, says Saenko. “Radioactive Iodine accumulates in the thyroid and it causes high doses that can be accumulated by this organ. And as we know from Chernobyl, thyroid cancer was one of the major consequences. To prevent this so-called thyroid Iodine blockage, measures exist which presume that you take Stable Potassium Iodine pills which block radioactive Iodine.”
If a person suspects that he has received a high dose of radiation, he should immediately seek medical advice, concludes Saenko.

Despite the radiation leak at Fukushima-1 nuclear power plant it is not as disastrous as it was in Chernobyl, but even a tenth of that would be too much, warns Professor Eli Stern, the head of the Center for Risk Assessment at the Gertner Institute of the Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer.

“In this case, if worse comes to worst the Japanese will have to very seriously consider the measures that were taken in Chernobyl, which means to put the damaged core in a big cement sarcophagus to prevent further contamination,” the professor believes.

The situation at Fukushima plant is already the worst case scenario and many experts do not trust the information released by the Japanese authorities and it is evident that the meltdown in two reactors has already occurred, shared Igor Khokhlov, fellow with the Institute of World Economy and International Relations.

“The amount of radiation released now and the amount of radiation that will be released [at Fukushima nuclear power plant] is so great that actually the whole globe will be affected,” Khokhlov estimated, comparing one energy unit affected in Chernobyl and three nuclear power units affected at the Fukushima plant.

“Definitely, it is going to be one of the worst nuclear disasters in world history,” he concluded.

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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 14:46 - pre 158 meseci
Izraelski atomski stručnjak Uzi Even optužio je japansku vladu da umanjuje opasnost od nuklearne centrale Fukušima Dai-ići, pogođene zemljotresom. "Ukoliko postoji radioaktivna prašina plutonijum oksida, najotrovnije materije koju koriste u reaktoru, niko tamo neće moći da kroći hiljade godina", izjavio je Even listu Mariv.
Prema Evenovim rečima, "Japanci ne govore istinu, jer ih je sramota".
Even je izrazio sumnju u mogućnost da je jezgro reaktora ostalo netaknuto i posle dve eksplozije, kao što tvrde Japanci. "Ti reaktori su stari. Jezgro reaktora koji radi 40 godina je puno napuklina i rđe. Mnogo govori činjenica da Japanci četiri dana nisu bili u stanju da snize temperaturu u reaktorima" ,izjavio je Even.

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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 14:53 - pre 158 meseci
Meni je zao onih obicnih ljudi i dece tamo, koji realno nista nisu krivi. Krvi su dizajneri/inzinjeri koji nisu bili u stanju da predvide potencijalne probleme i naprave bolju i bezbedniju centralu - a to im je bio posao. Ipak, zna se da je Japan trusno podrucije i da ce pre ili kasnije doci do velikog zemljotresa/cunamija.

Ako nista, poceo sam da sumnjam u nuklernu tehnologiju sa strane bezbednosti - ako njima 3 odvojena sistema (sa onog videa) nisu dovljna da se spreci meltdown, onda stvarno nesto nije u redu ili u dizajnu, ili sa celom tom tehnologijom (tj. nasom percepcijom kako ta tehnologija zaista radi, sta je bezbedno i moguce). Nadam se da nece doci do eskaliranja situacije...
 
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icon Re: Cunami Opustošio Obalu Japana15.03.2011. u 14:56 - pre 158 meseci
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The ongoing crisis at Japan's Fukushima nuclear power plant has been upgraded to a level 6 on the International Nuclear Events Scale. To put this into perspective, the Chernobyl diaster was a level 7, and the Three mile Island accident was a level 5.

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