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WikiLeaks exposes Gaddafi corruption
23/02/2011 - 14:26:55

Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's children flaunted their wealth plundered from the country and behaved like mini-tyrants, according to secret US diplomatic memos.

Among their extravagant displays of wealth was a million-dollar private concert by pop diva Beyonce, according to the memos released today by the secret-spilling website WikiLeaks.

Growing anger over crass behaviour by Gaddafi's offspring, such as son Hannibal's 2008 arrest for beating servants in a hotel in Switzerland, may have helped spark the current uprising.

"The family has been in a tailspin recently," a memo assessed a year ago.

The diplomats at the US Embassy in the Libyan capital of Tripoli describe how Gaddafi's children carved out spheres of influence, seemingly treating the country as their personal fiefdom.

Muhammad, the oldest son, dominated telecommunications, another son, Muatassim, was National Security Adviser, Hannibal was influential in maritime shipping, Khamis commanded a top military unit, while daughter Aisha ran a quasi-governmental organisation. Another son, Saadi, was given the job of setting up an Export Free Trade Zone in western Libya.

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi cultivated a respectable image as Libya's face to the West, and had locals calling for him to be heir-apparent, the 2010 memo said.

However, that image may have been destroyed in a single instant earlier this week when he went on TV to threaten anti-government protesters with civil war if they persisted.

The family's unchecked control in Libya is highlighted in a July 2008 embassy report that Muatassim put pressure on the chairman of the National Oil Corporation, Shukri Ghanem, to give him $1.2bn (€1.4bn) in cash and oil shipments.

Mr Ghanem told a confidant at the time he was considering resigning because he feared Muatassim could seek revenge if he was not paid, a 2008 memo said.

The confidant described Gaddafi's children as thugs, saying that "no one can cross or refuse such people without suffering consequences, particularly when the matter is to do with money," the cable said. Another 2008 dispatch noted that government funding was used to capitalise Hannibal's maritime transportation company.

Another 2008 dispatch noted that government funding was used to capitalise Hannibal's maritime transportation company.

The "close integration of private and public interests in many of Libya's key economic entities" became apparent when Libya quickly halted oil shipments in response to his detention in Geneva over the alleged beating of the servants.

Two years later, a memo cited reports that Hannibal physically abused his wife, Aline.

In 2009, Aline had threatened to leave Hannibal and fled to London, the memo said. "Hannibal pursued Aline in London, and the encounter ended in assault," it said.

Hannibal's mother, Safiya, and sister, Aisha, then persuaded Aline to report to police that she had been hurt in an accident and not mention abuse.

Saadi was described as having a troubled past, including run-ins with police in Europe, drug and alcohol abuse, and excessive partying, a 2009 memo said. It was important for the regime to create "the appearance of useful employment" for Gaddafi's children, the report said.

Flaunting of wealth was starting the hurt the family's image, the diplomats said. They noted that Muatassim "kicked off 2010 the same way he spent 2009 - with a New Year's Eve trip to the Caribbean island of St. Bart's - reportedly featuring copious amounts of alcohol and a million-dollar personal concert courtesy of Beyonce, Usher, and other musicians".

"The family has provided local observers with enough dirt for a Libyan soap opera," the 2010 memo concluded.

The diplomats also noted "acute discord" among the Gaddafi children. The growing rivalries - in the absence of a succession mechanism and amid rumours of Gaddafi's health problems - "could play an important, if not determinative role, in whether the family is able to hold on to power after the author of the revolution exits the political scene," a 2009 dispatch said.

Still, Gaddafi still remains very much in control, despite his carefully crafted image as an aloof philosopher-king, another memo said.

The dictator is intimately involved in the most important work, such as vetting business deals involving public funds to "ensure that opportunities to extract rents from those contracts are distributed to key regime allies", the diplomats observed.

http://www.sbpost.ie/breakingnews/world/eysneyojqlkf/

Korupcija je jedan izvor nezadovoljstva u Libiji i pretvaranje države u privatne prćije. The family's unchecked control - je karakteristika svih diktatorskih režima koja neminovno dovodi do kraha čitavog sistema.

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^{23.03.2011. u 05:04 - pre 159 meseci}

ma to su pisali imperijalisticki mediji. Ako brko, a1200 i slicni ne udare pecat "ISTINA" to je apsolutna laz. Oni znaju sta je istina, oni ne gledaju CNN, oni ne gledaju nista sem Russia Today. A Putin i Zirinovski su im zakletva, a Staljin i SM omiljene istorijske licnosti. Blizi su drustvenom (ne)uredjenju srednjeg vijeka nego modernim vremenima. Sta ces, mozda izmisle vremeplov pa ih sve potovarimo i posaljemo u njima omiljeno vrijeme.

Kazao je davno drug Mao Ce Tung, i sut u d-pe je korak naprijed. Degaziranje u toku.

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^{23.03.2011. u 08:06 - pre 159 meseci}

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yolja624: ... a Staljin i SM omiljene istorijske licnosti.

Ja sam oduvek gotivio Fikreta Adolfića

Jel primate mene u drustvo...

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^{23.03.2011. u 08:18 - pre 159 meseci}

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Lesli Eldridz: I sta kazes, u takovome raju iz ciste obesti ovi zadrigli krenuli da dizu revoluciju i da ruse raj? Majku im imperijalisticku. Jel bi ti te nezahvalnike napalmom?

Ne Lesli, ja ne preterujem sa pivom
Gde nadje napalm? Proletese mi kroz glavu neke slike iz '60-tih....humanizma.....
Stvarno mislis da je to najbolje resenje?

Zato što, kada uporediš VW i BMW koji koštaju isto, shvatićeš da za svaki taj evro koji čini cenu ta dva auta, kod VW dobijaš više nego kod BMW-a. Isto važi i MB.

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^{23.03.2011. u 08:38 - pre 159 meseci}

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a1200: Ne, ja sam tu da probam da sagledam stanje onakvo kakvo jeste, bez da pevam pesmu sa "slobodnih medija". Da kazem sta imam (da bi mozda neko drugi u buducnosti isto tako sagledao situaciju, i mozda se i slozio sa iznetim - procenio sam za sebe), kao i da na osnovu toga ne dam podrsku prici "za slobodu i demokratiju", kad to zaista nije ta prica niti ce ikad biti - tj. da se nezaj*bem ni ja (niti bilo ko, koga znam i na koga mogu da uticem) da zbog tkz. "vishih ciljeva", moralisanja, i propagande ode da nekome zagorcava zivot, u njegovoj zemlji, zbog npr. nafte - tj. zbog pohlepe i interesa lokalnih "demokratskih" despota. Naravno, koliko je to u mojoj moci.

Tzv evropske vrednosti postoje u Evropi.
Sve ostalo je prica za malu decu.

Ne postoji ni jedna drzava koja drugacije radi i tako ce biti dokle god resursi leze svuda po svetu.
Obzirom da se svetske ekonomije jos vise povezuju nego pre, mali ce jos vise nahebavati.
Rusiji treba jaka Evropa, Kini jaka Amerika, Evropi jaka Kina i tako dalje.

Mali mogu da gledaju kako da se uklope u tu pricu i da izvuku korist iz toga.
Ako ne zele, a i to je legitimno, onda neka znaju sta je cena toga. Kome nije jasno, neka se seti Libije.
Neka se seti kako nas je sve Rusija i Kina branila :)
U ovom momentu, svi lepo zaradjuju na libijskoj krizi.

Ko je protiv toga, neka se opase eksplozivom, ali pre toga neka izuje cipele skrojene u Kini za malu dnevnicu, cipele u Vijetnamu koje prave deca, ne toce benzin koje otimaju svetske kompanije od potlacenih i ostalo.

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^{23.03.2011. u 08:51 - pre 159 meseci}

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Isak666: Mali mogu da gledaju kako da se uklope u tu pricu i da izvuku korist iz toga.

Da bi mogli da se uklope prvo treba da znaju pravu priču.

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^{23.03.2011. u 08:58 - pre 159 meseci}

Pa treba da saznaju to sto je Isak666 napisao , samo je pitanje kako ce da je saznaju :
na tezi ili na laksi nacin tj. da li ces hrabro ustuknuti ili ces se kukavicki naguziti

Viva lollapalooza

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^{23.03.2011. u 09:00 - pre 159 meseci}

Oni koji donose odluke znaju pravu pricu.
Znao je i Milosevic da NATO zeli baze u Srbiji i znao je da ce to uraditi po svaku cenu.
Znao je to i narod, pa je opet na referendumu glasao skoro 100% protiv toga.
I to je legitimno.

Samo treba znati cenu toga.
Sa tim da neke zemlje kao sto je Srbija imaju luksuz da postanu deo onih koji imaju vise koristi nego stete u tom sistemu zbog svog polozaja, za razliku od nekog Avganistana i drugih koji taj luksuz nemaju.
I to vekovima, nazalost.

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^{23.03.2011. u 09:02 - pre 159 meseci}

Ma čekajte. Da li je tačno ono što se može saznati ono što Vikiliks kaže o korupciji u Libiji ?

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^{23.03.2011. u 09:07 - pre 159 meseci}

@ yolja624

druga kobu mi ne diraj, nego knjigu u sake pa citaj sta je, za nepunih 30 godina, taj uradio za svoj narod i zemlju i za citav svet.

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Lesli Eldridz: I sta kazes, u takovome raju iz ciste obesti ovi zadrigli krenuli da dizu revoluciju i da ruse raj? Majku im imperijalisticku. Jel bi ti te nezahvalnike napalmom?

lesli ne se®i, kad pojma nemas.

sukob u libiji je sukob izmedju plemena.

isto kao sto je i SFRJ bila raj pocetkom 90-ih, pa su plemena krenula da se medjusobno kolju i pale jedni drugima kuce, i to ne zato sto je jedno pleme demokratsko, drugo despotsko, trece ne-znam-sta, nego zato sto su to radili kroz istoriju kad god bi im se ukazala prilika.

i isto kao sto su broz i komunisti uspevali 40-ak godina da uspesno obuzdavaju balkanska plemena, tako je to i gadafiju, ma sta god ko mislio o njemu, u proteklih 40-ak godina polazilo za rukom, usput gradeci respektabilnu drzavu sa najvecim BDP/stanovnik na kontinentu (80-ih godina najvecim na svetu), sa neverovatnim % visoko-obrazovanog stanovnistva, sa rezervama zlata medju prvih par desetina drzava na svetu itd.....

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sam bog zna sta ce biti sa tom zemljom ako ovi "humanisti" maknu gadafija.

medju-plemensko klanje kao u ruandi?
... i ulog - nafta je mnogo veci.

i ne samo nafta ...

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Isak666: My 2¢ - nije nafta jedini razlog napada ...

i gas?

a voda prujatelju? ... koju ovaj despot i tlacitelj deli dzaba narodu.

fosilna voda ispod libijske pustinje, cije se rezerve procenjuju na kolicinu koja je protekla nilom za 200-250 godina?

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evo vam jos dva hinta (sto bi rekli omladinci) za googlanje o libijskoj "despotovini":

- radno vreme u libiji je 6 sati.

- pre gadafijeve socijalisticke revolucije, u doba kralja idrisa, 90% prihoda od eksploatacije nafte je odlazilo stranim kompanijama.
sa 10% se talio kralj i ekipa oko njega.
narodu je isla patka.