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https://occupywallst.org/about/

Delovalo je bezazleno u pocetku,medjutim:
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes....protesters-on-brooklyn-bridge/
nezasite glavonje su brzo reagovale:
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com...ion-from-occupywallstreet.html
sto je i potvrdjeno:
http://www.jpmorganchase.com/corporate/Home/article/ny-13.htm
sto je sve naravno izazvalo sveopsti bes,najavljuju se slicne akcije sirom USA.

Sa ove distance deluje prilicno spontano. Izgleda kao obicna seljacka buna,pobuna razocaranih koji samo hoce da vide glavonje na vesalima.Ne vidim sta se zeli postici,a interesantan je i simbol pokreta - dobro nam poznat

Kolege sa te strane bare,moze li neko da analizira i da nam objasni sta se desava i kakve su prognoze? Milanche?

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^{02.10.2011. u 21:12 - pre 165 meseci}

Wow, panduri uhapsili svih 700 ucesnika "okupacije". lol

Nece se desiti nista, USA nije severna afrika, cak i nakon recesije i gubitka poslova oni i dalje vole svoj sistem i nece masovno stati iza hipi pokreta koji planira da ukine kapitalizam tako sto ce da napravi zurku na trading floor-u

Bilo je ptorebno 7 godina i 500,000 ucesnika da politicki establishment pocne da razmatra vijetnamski rat a ova sacica hoce da fundamentalno promeni drustveno uredjenje drzave. mo's misliti.

Sloba je za 12 godina promenio antropološki kod srpskog naroda. On je od jednog
naroda koji je bio veseo, pomalo površan, od jednog naroda koji je bio znatiželjan, koji
je voleo da vidi, da putuje, da upozna,
od naroda koji je bio kosmopolitski napravio narod koji je namršten, mrzovoljan,
sumnjicav, zaplašen, narod koji se stalno nešto žali, kome je stalno neko kriv - Z.Đinđić

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^{02.10.2011. u 21:49 - pre 165 meseci}

U to su i ovi likovi uvereni

ali za svaki slucaj

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JPMorgan Chase recently donated an unprecedented $4.6 million to the New York City Police Foundation. The gift was the largest in the history of the foundation and will enable the New York City Police Department to strengthen security in the Big Apple. The money will pay for 1,000 new patrol car laptops, as well as security monitoring software in the NYPD’s main data center.

New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly sent CEO and Chairman Jamie Dimon a note expressing “profound gratitude” for the company’s donation.

“These officers put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe,” Dimon said. “We’re incredibly proud to help them build this program and let them know how much we value their hard work.”

cisto da se zna ko je vlasnik policije NY i koga treba da brani. Bljuv.

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^{02.10.2011. u 22:29 - pre 165 meseci}

Da budem iskren, o ovome prvi put cujem upravo sa ove teme.

Nisam primetio nista u tom smislu sa ove strane.

Svi znaju o kom se olosu radi, i odavno slabo ko normalan zasniva ista bitno u zivotu
bazirano na berzi i njihovim mahinacijama. Normalni ne ulaze u troskove koji im se
pruzaju mimo granice gubera.

U svakom drugom pogledu, sve avenije zivota izgledaju potpuno otvoreno, kvalitet
zivota je upravo tamo gde bi se i ocekivalo da bude, potpuno srazmeran trudu i kvalitetu.
Niko od kolega nije bez dobrog posla, biznisi uglavnom idu svojim normalnim tokom.
Ko ima prilike da dodje u posed nekog dobrog stock-ato ne propusta, ali se odavno na
sve to gleda kao na lakse kockanje tipa Las Vegas-a.

Drugim recima, da budem fin - slabo ko za Wall St. cirkuzane mari.

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^{02.10.2011. u 22:34 - pre 165 meseci}

Sta je sa managed portfolijima? Pocev od penzionih. Ja koliko znam svi su oni i dalje na stocku bez vecih mogucnosti da utices na to (sem eventualne preraspodele na veci procent t-bonda)

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^{03.10.2011. u 00:24 - pre 165 meseci}

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morihei ueshiba: cisto da se zna ko je vlasnik policije NY i koga treba da brani. Bljuv.

Ma odavno se sve to zna. A dokle god je dovoljno hleba i igara ja se ne sekiram za glavonje.

"The table is tilted folks, the game is rigged. And nobody seems to notice, nobody seems to care."

poz

Internet forumi su kao javni toalet... udje ko želi, ispiša se gde poželi, i ode...

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mmix: Sta je sa managed portfolijima? Pocev od penzionih. Ja koliko znam svi su oni i dalje na stocku bez vecih mogucnosti da utices na to (sem eventualne preraspodele na veci procent t-bonda)

Daleko od toga da je ta varijanta jedino resenje za penzione fondove.

Dalje od ove tacke ne bih isao u licnije detalje, osim ponovljene konstatacije da na celu tu salabajzersku ekipu u
belim kosuljama i skupim odelima i na sve njihove fazone mogu da se sa laganim prezirom nasmejem u prolazu.

Koliko uspevam da vidim u okolini, nisam jedini koji je dosao do istih zakljucaka i slicnih resenja.

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^{03.10.2011. u 08:46 - pre 165 meseci}

Ok, ali koja ti je alternativa? Ako si u firmi onda si na group policy-u po izboru firme, ti mozes sa strane da rokas ekstra koliko hoces i u sta hoces, naravno, ali osnovni plan uz koji ide emplyer contribution je odabran od firme.

Pitam ozbiljno jer i ja na tu ekipu gledam na isti nacin, ali ne vidim kako ih izbeci. Cak i ono sto je naizgled oslobodjeno njihovog uticaja na kraju se ispostavi da je neki derivat. A ako ce vec neko da ti servira sarene paketice onda bolje da ides odmah na real thing, zar ne? Samo nemoj da mi kazes da investirate u zlato :)

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^{03.10.2011. u 09:16 - pre 165 meseci}

Bez obzira koliko te postujem, i koliko volim da kazem ponesto na ES-u, ipak cu da stanem odprilike gde sam i rekao.

401(k) jeste najcesci ali ne i jedini zakonski okvir za penziona ulaganja. Cinjenica je da je to i okvir u kojem
employer moze da se desi da ti match-uje ulaganja, pa je odatle i najprimamljiviji vid penzionog ulaganja.

Ljude u principu mrzi da razmisljaju dalje od toga, a cinjenica je a se svakih 2-3 godine pojavi novi pravni mod
penzionog ulaganja sa novim specijalnim uglovima, koji ako se dobro razmotre daju moguca legalna resenja
u kojima nisi nateran na vodenicu, nego imas razne varijante ulaganja, daleko sire od vanilla ponude berzanskih
proizvoda.

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nisam ni mislio na 401k, al nema veze, ja sam bio na privatnom penziononm fndu sa matched contributions ali nisam imao izbor da izbegnem stocks, samo sam mogao da biram koliko ce portfolio biti agresivan. Pitam se bas sta li je to o cemu pricas kad je toliko konspirativno da jedan forumski post u drugoj zemlji moze da napravi disbalans

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Nije uopste konspirativno, niti nelegalno, nego je jednostavno - privatna stvar.

Takodje, spada pod licne finansije, sto je nekako privatna varijabla, i nekako mi je bezveze i
neprikladno da iznosim detalje. A da budem iskren, prave detalje zna bolje da objasni moj
certified tax adviser.

Uglavnom, neki zakljucak koji mogu da ponovo podcrtam je da cela prica (na koju sam izostrio
goniometre pa pazljivije pratim vesti u vezi toga) na vrlo niskom prioritetu medija. Takodje,
medju kolegama sa svih strana (a krecem se po vrlo raznorodnim mestima) vec sigurno par
godina nisam cuo nikakvu diskusiju u vezi brokera, Wall Street-a, svi odavno znaju o kojoj
vrsti igara je rec. Mrzi me sad da trazim temu na kojoj sam prvi put pisao o svojim iskustvima
sa berzom, mislim da datira jos od pre 7-8 godina, a opisuje moje stavove stecene negde pre
10 godina, vec od tada je slepo uverenje u 'fair game' na berzi bilo ne na nuli nego u domenu
negativnih brojeva, tako da je oslanjanje na volju white collar prevaranata odavno svedeno na
vrlo mali procenat. Rekao bih sa vrlo velikim uverenjem da je takav slucaj sa prilicnim brojem
mislece populacije.

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WS uopste nije mesto gde treba protestovati niti je to adresa odgovornih za ekonomsku krizu.

WS je samo Berza.

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Braksi: WS uopste nije mesto gde treba protestovati niti je to adresa odgovornih za ekonomsku krizu.

WS je samo Berza.

E, tako to ide.

Kad CPU zabrlja, obicno monitor dobija samarcinu.

Nego, kazu ovde

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/...394071,00.asp#fbid=HuvIBkoxpo4

interesantne stvari:

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Here's the transcript of the latest Occupy Wall Street video from Anonymous:

Greetings, institutions of the media.

We are Anonymous.

The events transpiring within Wall Street have caught our eye.

It seems that the government and federal agencies enjoy enforcing the law a little bit too much. They instate unjust laws as mindless automatons, blindly following orders with soulless precision.

We witness the government enforcing the laws that punish the 99 percent while allowing the 1 percent to escape justice, unharmed, for their crimes against the people.

We have observed this same government failing to enforce even the minimal legal restraints of Wall Street's abuses. This government who has willingly ignored the greed at Wall Street has even bailed out the perpetrators that have caused our crisis.

We will not stand by and watch the system take over our way of life.

We the people shall stand against the government's inaction.

We the people will not be witnesses to your corruption and ill-gotten profits.

We will not labor for your leisure.

We will not assist you in any way.

This is why we choose to declare our war against the New York Stock Exchange. We can no longer stay silent as the population is being exploited and forced to make sacrifices in the name of profit.

We will show the world that we are true to our word. On Oct. 10, NYSE shall be erased from the Internet. On Oct. 10, expect a day that will never, ever be forgotten.

Vox Populi, Vox Anon.

The Voice of The People is The Voice of Anonymous.

We are Legion. We are the 99 percent.

We do not forgive. We do not forget.

Wall Street: Expect us.

Bice zanimljivo gledati the match.

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Odustali su od FB-a:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sci...ms-wants-destroy-Facebook.html

Ima tu i podrske slavnih,doduse uobicajeni likovi,u svakoj corbi mirodjije:
http://www.ecorazzi.com/2011/1...ty-support-after-mass-arrests/

Nesto mislim da bi najbolje oruzje za kompromitaciju pokreta bilo vrlo jednostavno: ako se Bono prikljuci podrsci protesta,ugasili su sa kredibilitetom. Verujem da vec pregovara sa glavonjama oko sume :)

_{[Ovu poruku je menjao morihei ueshiba dana 04.10.2011. u 10:32 GMT+1]}

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Najbolje oružje za kompromitaciju pokreta je lista zahteva pokreta:

http://occupywallst.org/forum/...nds-for-occupy-wall-st-moveme/

Svakome sa pola mozga nije ništa dalje potrebno.

Zato ovo nije ni ispraćeno u USA medijima. Gomila umobolnika napravila gužvu na ulici.

http://www.kgonline.info - Prvi kragujevački portal i forum

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Ron Paul and the Occupy Wall Street protest
Published: 04 October, 2011, 14:13

Now what are all of those people doing camped out on Wall Street? Are they socialists? Commies? Anarchists? Left, right? For some reason the television news people don’t like them, which makes me sympathize. What’s going on?

I’ll explain.

Let’s say you are a young couple, newly married, anxious to get your piece of the American dream. And let’s say you decide to open your own hamburger stand.
Your first obstacle will be a maze of federal regulations. They are all well-intended, helping out the disabled, protecting the environment, providing for workers’ health. The problem is that there are too many of them and they cost too much.

When I worked in the Bush senior White House, I saw major companies come in and lobby for these regs. They wanted them to be imposed on small businesses too, even businesses with five employees. Why? Because it would knock out the Mom and Pop operations who couldn’t afford to implement them. By driving up costs, they could assure themselves a monopoly on hamburgers.

But let’s say your parents mortgage their house and get you the start-up money to pass that test. Second, you will find that your competition controls the meat industry in this country. It is not just that they have volume, but rather that their political donations ensure that their friends get appointed to government meat inspection agencies. Sometimes, the very people who worked for your rivals will cross over and land positions as regulators. You must be prepared for some hair-raising conflicts of interest.

Third, your tax dollars will go to subsidize your competitor, the big hamburger company. Are you aware of this? This could be hundreds of millions of dollars.
There’s just no nice way to say this. Washington is corrupt. The big hamburger company establishes a lobby in Washington DC, which you can’t afford to do. They start with a firm of lawyers and former Justice Department prosecutors and meat inspectors. They lobby Congress for money for their big hamburger corporation. And they get it.

For example, when I worked in the White House, a major hamburger corporation lobbied for money saying that the French government was subsidizing their hamburger industry. Apparently the French felt that American hamburgers represented a cultural invasion. We had to either get a free trade agreement that worked or subsidize our own hamburger company.
Bottom line? Your competition is much larger and more powerful than you and not only controls the price and quality of the meat but takes dollars out of your pocket as an additional subsidy.
Now, here comes the piece de resistance.

Congressman Ron Paul has been railing about the unfairness of the Federal Reserve and the fact that it creates additional money, in secret, unaudited by anyone.
So thanks to Ron Paul, this past year, we were finally given a partial audit of the Federal Reserve. This applied to their activity in 2008. Here is what we learned. We learned that the Federal Reserved loaned out $16 trillion. That’s in one year. Keep in mind that the entire accumulated national debt is just over $14 trillion. Remember Glenn Beck’s towering charts in his television studio?

And to whom did this money go? Well, banks – including banks that were owned by the members of the Federal Reserve board. Hmmmm. Nice, huh? I guess they were secret for a reason. There were also a number of no-bid contracts for companies to handle all of this. Here is a sweet tidbit – US $3 trillion went to banks in foreign countries. We Americans are generous people. And oh, I almost forget, numerous corporations received this money too. For example, that big hamburger company, the one who needs federal subsidies? I think they got another $500 million interest-free loan from the Federal Reserve.

Okay, so who paid for that? Well, nobody. It was money “created” by the Federal Reserve. But you should really say that “everybody” paid for it because by increasing the money supply, you are diluting its value for the rest of us. You are driving up the cost of wheat. You are causing famine in Africa.

Well, you say, why doesn’t somebody say something about this? They are trying. They are camping out on Wall Street. But then, keep in mind, the only way we can really know what is happening is through the news media. And that big hamburger company advertises in the news media. And one of the companies that got millions of dollars from the Federal Reserve owns one of the television networks.

So if you are that couple, just graduating from college, wanting to get your piece of the American dream? Forget it. You have two choices. Go to Wall Street and camp out. Or get a job at McDonalds. I think they pay $7.25 an hour. (But you can steal food.)

http://rt.com/news/blogs/contr...w/ron-paul-occupy-wall-street/

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