Tipičan primer quote mininga.
Darwin:
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But I may say that the impossibility of conceiving that this grand and wondrous universe, with our conscious selves, arose through chance, seems to me the chief argument for the existence of God; but whether this is an argument of real value, I have never been able to decide. I am aware that if we admit a first cause, the mind still craves to know whence it came and how it arose. Nor can I overlook the difficulty from the immense amount of suffering through the world
Darwin se takođe posvađao sa ženom jer nije hteo da ide u crkvu, i to je za njega bilo veliko mučenje...
Carl sagan:
Nastavlja...
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But religions are tough. Either they make no contentions which are subject to disproof or they quickly redesign doctrine after disproof. The fact that religions can be so shamelessly dishonest, so contemptuous of the intelligence of their adherents, and still flourish does not speak very well for the tough- mindedness of the believers. But it does indicate, if a demonstration was needed, that near the core of the religious experience is something remarkably resistant to rational inquiry.
Mešaš spiritualnost sa religijom i religijskom dogmom.
Takođe je rekao i:
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Such reports persist and proliferate because they sell. And they sell, I think, because there are so many of us who want so badly to be jolted out of our humdrum lives, to rekindle that sense of wonder we remember from childhood, and also, for a few of the stories, to be able, really and truly, to believe--in Someone older, smarter, and wiser who is looking out for us. Faith is clearly not enough for many people. They crave hard evidence, scientific proof. They long for the scientific seal of approval, but are unwilling to put up with the rigorous standards of evidence that impart credibility to that seal.
Ono što je rekao je isto što i Richard Dawkins kaže. Na skali od 1 do 7 ateizma, on je jaka šestica, jer kao svaki dobar naučnik ne želi da kaže da nešto ne postoji kada nema dokaze da ne postoji, ali takođe ne želi da prihvati da postoji bez dokaza.
Videti:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot
Albert Einstein:
Opet mešaš spiritualnost sa religijom. Einstein je lepo rekao šta je imao da kaže:
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The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this. These subtilised interpretations are highly manifold according to their nature and have almost nothing to do with the original text.
Ovo je poslao kao odgovor pismu od jednog ateiste koji ga je upitao da li je religiozan:
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It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it.
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It cannot tell us a word about red and blue, bitter and sweet, physical pain and physical delight; it knows nothing of beautiful and ugly, good or bad, god and eternity.
Kakve ovo veze ima sa bogom? Schroedinger je 1001 put izjavio da je ateista, to je činjenica. Nije ni prvi ni poslednji koji je rekao da je realnost sveta i svemira veoma sterlina. Kao što je Neil DeGrasse Tyson rekao, "just look at all the things that are trying to kill us". Opet, samo zato što je neko ateista ne znači da ne može da se zapita i da uživa u zvezdanom nebu. Ne verujem da možeš uzeti jedan jedini citat čoveka i njegovo čitavo religijsko opredeljenje okrenuti za 180 stepeni. Takav sistem "quote mininga" što se često koristi je veoma maliciozan... verski zealoti jedva čekaju da neki naučnik kaže nešto ovog tipa i onda odjednom iskaču iza žbunja sa "AAAA-HA, ZNAO SAM!".
William H. Bragg je katolik i to je njegovo lično religijsko ubeđenje.
Wernher fon Braun-ov citat ne drži vodu... "velika sila" koja kontroliše sve u pozadini se ne može dokazati i svodi se na špekulacije, lične interpretacije i sl., dok naučno napredovanje MOŽE.
Nevill Mott je tim citatom lepo opisao "god of the gaps" princip. Ono što nauka trenutno ne može da objasni = bog.
Fred Hoyle je napustio ateizam jer nije umeo da nađe naučno objašnjenje za ono što ga je mučilo. Tim potezom nije dao nikakav odgovor, već neku utehu. NDT je lepo ovo objasnio u klipu koji sam postavio.
Sam Harris:
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Somewhere in the world a man has abducted a little girl. Soon he will rape, torture and kill her. If an atrocity of this kind is not occurring at precisely this moment, it will happen in a few hours, or days at most. Such is the confidence we can draw from the statistical laws that govern the lives of 6 billion human beings. The same statistics also suggest that this girl s parents believe at this very moment that an all-powerful and all-loving God is watching over them and their family. Are they right to believe this? Is it good that they believe this?
No.
The entirety of atheism is contained in this response. Atheism is not a philosophy; it is not even a view of the world; it is simply a refusal to deny the obvious. Unfortunately, we live in a world in which the obvious is overlooked as a matter of principle. The obvious must be observed and re-observed and argued for. This is a thankless job. It carries with it an aura of petulance and insensitivity. It is, moreover, a job that the atheist does not want.
Kontekst, brate, kontekst.
Da sumiram:
-Spiritualnost je jedno, religija je drugo.
-Majka Tereza je ovo pisala u svojim pismima:
http://in.reuters.com/article/2007/08/24/idINIndia-29140020070824 , očigledno tračci sumnje u veru su postojali, ali neću ići tvojim putem milanche pa da tvrdim da je žena ateista zbog par citata.
-NIKO ali NIKO nije nijednom dokazao nešto sa konceptom boga. NIKAD. Svi naučnici se pozivaju na boga kada ne mogu nešto da objasne, ono što mogu da objasne skoro nikad ne pripisuju višoj sili.
@Nedeljko
Nemoj molim te da počinješ sa takvim pristupom. Napisao sam nešto, u tvojim očima je to glupost, pa mi kažeš da nemam pojma o čemu pričam bez da takneš ijednu tačku koju sam naveo. "Nije ti fora".
A man is smart. People are stupid.
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